Should people who refuse mental health treatment be put to death?

[Josie]

What would you like to talk about once we've agreed that a fetus is part of a woman's body and not a human life?


Is a fertilized egg a human life the moment the sperms permeates the egg? If not, why not?

You can find my commentary on that in the Abortion forum.

When you're ready to be honest about red states, those on the right and helping those in need, lemme know.

 

[Gardener]

Mental asylums were closed because of rampant, unconscionable, torturous abuse and neglect. Reporters went undercover, took pictures, wrote articles, and the vast public outcry forced the closures. There wasn't really a backup plan. So, jail, prison, and homeless shelters for the mentally ill. Of course, jail and prison cost taxpayers much more than treatment would have.

They needed reform, not elimination.

 

[Loulit01]

They needed reform, not elimination.

I agree. there was no money for reform.

 

[Allan]

You can find my commentary on that in the Abortion forum.

When you're ready to be honest about red states, those on the right and helping those in need, lemme know.

Why don't you limit abortion comments to that forum instead of polluting every ****ing thread.

 

[Josie]

Why don't you limit abortion comments to that forum instead of polluting every ****ing thread.

I literally directed the conversation to the abortion forum, Allan.

 

[Allan]

I literally directed the conversation to the abortion forum, Allan.

After derailing the topic in Post 6.

The left just puts them to death before birth. Healthy, unhealthy - doesn't matter. If they're unwanted, kill them.

 

[Mike1950]

In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, Indiana had state mental hospitals. They have closed most of them down, during the 80s, converting many into prisons because they started jailing way more people. Beatty Memorial Hospital is just one example in northern Indiana. They pretty much just dumped all of the patients out on their own back into their underfunded community systems. Many became a big percentage of what was labeled homeless people. Many ended up in jail and further straining our penal system that had become the solution to all our social problems. This same thing was going on in most other states. So how has backtracking on addressing mental illness and seeing prison as the solution to our ills worked out for us. Did it bring about the Nirvana we were promised? Or did much of this just make us a more violent society with the same right wingers, that promised all of this was the solution to our problems, now coming up with another of their brilliant solutions. It is just doubling down on what already made things worse not better. As we all know it is impossible for the right to learn from their mistakes. War on Drugs anybody? Shame on me for at one time believing in it.
You know there are other countries that handle all of this in very different ways. Do some damn research instead of just letting Fox and the rest of your right wing media tell you what to think. Look at what works and what doesn't based on other countries practices. Brutal systems tend to breed violence, trauma, and recidivism. Enlightened systems aim to reduce crime by healing the root causes. The U.S., despite its wealth, has one of the highest incarceration rates and some of the harshest conditions—while countries like Norway and Finland show that dignity and safety reduce crime more effectively than cruelty. How we treat the mentally ill is just the other face of the same coin. Look at the societies that already practice what the right is preaching.

 

[Airyaman]

 

[j brown's body]

The left just puts them to death before birth. Healthy, unhealthy - doesn't matter. If they're unwanted, kill them.

So you're ok with this?

 

[venice_ca]

Refuse mental health treatment? REFUSE mental health treatment! OMG! As a mentally ill person, I can tell you the problem is obtaining mental health treatment. Getting the meds. Seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist on a regular basis, that's the problem. You know how much that costs? What happens is eventually you run out of money and you're forced to go on Medicaid. Mental health services for those on Medicaid are EXTREMELY limited.

BTW, there are far too few mental health institutions in which to lock people up. That's why there are so many in prison. I've spent time in jails for mental illness, and I'm extremely lucky not to have gone to prison.

Refusing mental health treatment.

This tracks with my experience with family members needing help with mental health issues — a generation apart.

A year or so ago Los Angeles County Jail was declared the largest de facto mental institution in California — and these are the lucky ones who weren’t killed in an encounter with the LAPD or LASD.