Should parents pay for kids college snce kids cant become indepdent

[MisterLogical]

Anyone who ever filled out Fasfa or any other form of Financial aid paperworks knows hot screwed up it can be.

If a student is under the age of 24 they are considered an independent of their parents

Unless

*They join military
*They have kids at an early age
*They get married at an early age
*They are orphans/foster kids
*They were emancipated before the age of 18

Yes being 18 somehow does not make you an independent in this country, but you are allowed to go to war, get ciggerates and be tried as an adult and go to prison for statutory rape of a 15/16 year old.

As a dependent its assumed that all parents are going to pay for a students college up to age 24. Which is stupid and overly optimistic. I believe that students should automatically be declared as independents at 18, and file as their own income but clearly the financial aid department does not see it that way. I do not think wishful thinking should influence policy. So knowing all this do you believe that it should be mandatory by law that parents help pay for a students college? A lot of people think to save for college when the student is young, but a lot dont and just kind of tell their student GOOD LUCK when they turn 18.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

dude hell no. first of all, if a person doesn't have the motivation to do well in high school so he or she can get a scholarship, and doesn't have the motivation to work and go to school at the same time (easily doable, i worked a 40 hour week and took mild 6 credit semesters during my time in higher education), why is the parent obligated to pick up that slack? i would argue the exact opposite misterlogical; our kids need to have the cord cut earlier, we're raising too many children into adults with no clue of how to support themselves without being attached to the parental cord.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Anyone who ever filled out Fasfa or any other form of Financial aid paperworks knows hot screwed up it can be.

If a student is under the age of 24 they are considered an independent of their parents

Unless

*They join military
*They have kids at an early age
*They get married at an early age
*They are orphans/foster kids
*They were emancipated before the age of 18

Yes being 18 somehow does not make you an independent in this country, but you are allowed to go to war, get ciggerates and be tried as an adult and go to prison for statutory rape of a 15/16 year old.

As a dependent its assumed that all parents are going to pay for a students college up to age 24. Which is stupid and overly optimistic. I believe that students should automatically be declared as independents at 18, and file as their own income but clearly the financial aid department does not see it that way. I do not think wishful thinking should influence policy. So knowing all this do you believe that it should be mandatory by law that parents help pay for a students college? A lot of people think to save for college when the student is young, but a lot dont and just kind of tell their student GOOD LUCK when they turn 18.

This is completely absurd, since most 18 year olds are NOT independent, still live at home, and are still dependent on their parents, financially. If someone is not independent, they should not file as independent. This concept is so clear cut logical I'm not sure why I need to explain it.

 

[MisterLogical]

This is completely absurd, since most 18 year olds are NOT independent, still live at home, and are still dependent on their parents, financially. If someone is not independent, they should not file as independent. This concept is so clear cut logical I'm not sure why I need to explain it.

Alright you can argue that but if that is the case mom and dad should pay for school than, so do you vote in favor of making it a rule by law to pay for a students college?

 

[dimensionallava]

financial aid doesn't consider you an adult when your 18 because then 99% of college students would qualify for full financial aid, what we should have is free college or almost free college like most americans in the 50's and 60's had, and every developed nation (except america) has

 

[sookster]

I believe tuition is inflated because it can. The administration is going to get the loans regardless because the banks love the interest. So hike up tuition! The problem isn't fasfa, it's banks and administrations exploiting the system.

 

[MisterLogical]

I believe tuition is inflated because it can. The administration is going to get the loans regardless because the banks love the interest. So hike up tuition! The problem isn't fasfa, it's banks and administrations exploiting the system.

So what do you think we should do about it?

 

[Dragonfly]

Anyone who ever filled out Fasfa or any other form of Financial aid paperworks knows hot screwed up it can be.

If a student is under the age of 24 they are considered an independent of their parents

Unless

*They join military
*They have kids at an early age
*They get married at an early age
*They are orphans/foster kids
*They were emancipated before the age of 18

Yes being 18 somehow does not make you an independent in this country, but you are allowed to go to war, get ciggerates and be tried as an adult and go to prison for statutory rape of a 15/16 year old.

As a dependent its assumed that all parents are going to pay for a students college up to age 24. Which is stupid and overly optimistic. I believe that students should automatically be declared as independents at 18, and file as their own income but clearly the financial aid department does not see it that way. I do not think wishful thinking should influence policy. So knowing all this do you believe that it should be mandatory by law that parents help pay for a students college? A lot of people think to save for college when the student is young, but a lot dont and just kind of tell their student GOOD LUCK when they turn 18.

I think you need to be in school. At least a few more years. 6 or 7 maybe.

:roll:

 

[MisterLogical]

I think you need to be in school. At least a few more years. 6 or 7 maybe.

:roll:

Thats not relevant to this discussion and its a fallacy

and I cant afford college since my parents make too much money

 

[dimensionallava]

Thats not relevant to this discussion and its a fallacy

and I cant afford college since my parents make too much money

if your parents dont want to pay for your college then your screwed, hate it too say it but..... if you don't like it then you can get out

 

[MisterLogical]

if your parents dont want to pay for your college then your screwed, hate it too say it but..... if you don't like it then you can get out

Yeah, I dont see how you mean. Im not in college, so there is nothing to get out of. Fasfa counts me as a dependent till age 24 regardless of financial status. So there is no way for me to count as an independent on paperwork unless I meet one of the above. Unless you are saying I should get out of America since I cant afford college. Which is a little stupid honestly. Try thinking of solutions instead of just attacking people next time. It will make you seem a little more intelligent and simple bullying does not make you look very good.

 

[dimensionallava]

Yeah, I dont see how you mean. Im not in college, so there is nothing to get out of. Fasfa counts me as a dependent till age 24 regardless of financial status. So there is no way for me to count as an independent on paperwork unless I meet one of the above.

no i meant out of america, lol

theres nothing you can do really, I mean we can talk about the political situation and maybe 10 years from now people wont go through what your going through right now, but other than that theres nothing you can do

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Alright you can argue that but if that is the case mom and dad should pay for school than, so do you vote in favor of making it a rule by law to pay for a students college?

This is black or white thinking. Just because an 18 year old is still dependent on their parents financially, does NOT mean that mom and dad HAVE to pay for college. Therefore, since that is not the case, the second part of your sentence is irrelevant.

 

[MisterLogical]

no i meant out of america, lol

theres nothing you can do really, I mean we can talk about the political situation and maybe 10 years from now people wont go through what your going through right now, but other than that theres nothing you can do

Well whats the purpose in debating with someone with that logic. I thought this was a debate forum to discuss things. This has been a debate for awhile. Instead of saying "Yeah anyone who wants college should GET THE **** OUT" why dont you actually write something constructive?

This is black or white thinking. Just because an 18 year old is still dependent on their parents financially, does NOT mean that mom and dad HAVE to pay for college. Therefore, since that is not the case, the second part of your sentence is irrelevant.

No its not, since by saying they are an independent you are assuming that means the parents are going to pay so you only pay what you believe the PARENTS WILL NOT PAY. That is black and white thinking and that is the assumptions the system goes under. Since its Mom and dads duty to help pay for college, but by law its not required. You cant have it both ways, it makes no sense.

Assumption: Mom and dad will pay for the students college if they are over a specific income

 

[dimensionallava]

Well whats the purpose in debating with someone with that logic. I thought this was a debate forum to discuss things. This has been a debate for awhile. Instead of saying "Yeah anyone who wants college should GET THE **** OUT" why dont you actually write something constructive?

i thought you were also asking for advice with your personal problem?

As I said I think college should be free, i could feed you the same bullcrap every college hopeful in your situation gets fed " get a scholarship" "get a part time job and pay for it yourself" but you and I know both know its impossible, thats just the way america is, I was just joking about the get out of the country stuff that wouldn't help you in anyway.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

No its not, since by saying they are an independent you are assuming that means the parents are going to pay so you only pay what you believe the PARENTS WILL NOT PAY. That is black and white thinking and that is the assumptions the system goes under. Since its Mom and dads duty to help pay for college, but by law its not required. You cant have it both ways, it makes no sense.

Assumption: Mom and dad will pay for the students college if they are over a specific income

You are incorrect. By saying that one is dependent on their parents, financially, does NOT assume that the parents are going to pay. If parents don't want to pay for college, even if they have the means, they don't have to. Parents don't have to by their kid a toy if they don't want to, even if they have the means. Just because a kid is dependent, DOESN'T require their parents to pay for something the kid cannot afford. So your assumption is incorrect and not logical.

 

[Dragonfly]

You are incorrect. By saying that one is dependent on their parents, financially, does NOT assume that the parents are going to pay. If parents don't want to pay for college, even if they have the means, they don't have to. Parents don't have to by their kid a toy if they don't want to, even if they have the means. Just because a kid is dependent, DOESN'T require their parents to pay for something the kid cannot afford. So your assumption is incorrect and not logical.

Is it possible logicman has spawned, and misterlogical is the result?

 

[MisterLogical]

You are incorrect. By saying that one is dependent on their parents, financially, does NOT assume that the parents are going to pay. If parents don't want to pay for college, even if they have the means, they don't have to. Parents don't have to by their kid a toy if they don't want to, even if they have the means. Just because a kid is dependent, DOESN'T require their parents to pay for something the kid cannot afford. So your assumption is incorrect and not logical.

It does if you understood how Financial Aid works. Financial aid says they will pay what Mom and dad cant. IF your parents are low income its assumed they cant pay so you get a lot more money. That is a simple FACT. The fact you are unaware does not aid your argument. That is also why when you sign up a lot of times school will ask "How supportive is mom and dad" since this is always involved over what Mom and dad pay, since they have t pay part of your college according to Financial Aid system.

College: 10 Step Guides - How Financial Aid Really Works and How You Can Get More of It <== Here you go. This explains how this works. If you do not know this you never applied for Financial aid, but your ignorance of this does not change that its in fact expected that your family contribute. That is what its based on. They expect your family to pay.

 

[Dirt Racer]

Do I believe it should be forced? No. But I am paying for my daughter to go to college right now. We planned early and most of her costs are taken care of except about $4000 a year. That includes everything the prepaid tuition doesn't cover.

Since your family won't pay my advice is for you to apply for financial aid and work while you go to school to pay for it. Not the best scenario but if you want it bad enough you can find a way.

 

[VanceMack]

Depends. Can I force them to paint my house and mow my lawn free of charge til they are 24? Can I disown them if they DONT get grades in school?

 

[MisterLogical]

Depends. Can I force them to paint my house and mow my lawn free of charge til they are 24? Can I disown them if they DONT get grades in school?

This is rhetorical right? You seriously dont understand if these things are legal or not?
Legally you cant get in trouble for giving relatives chores, and you can kick anyone out at 18, but despite that Financial aid assumes all parents and families are going to pay for students past 18 to go to college. Even though there is no legal law requiring it which makes it a stupid assumption.

Do I believe it should be forced? No. But I am paying for my daughter to go to college right now. We planned early and most of her costs are taken care of except about $4000 a year. That includes everything the prepaid tuition doesn't cover.

Since your family won't pay my advice is for you to apply for financial aid and work while you go to school to pay for it. Not the best scenario but if you want it bad enough you can find a way.

Im not going to college right now.

 

[gdgyva]

Thats not relevant to this discussion and its a fallacy

and I cant afford college since my parents make too much money

clep
dantes
community college
the military
ap courses
scholarships
grants
financial aid
loans

just a few of the ways you can go to college

i have yet to meet anyone who couldnt go to school one way or another

all they needed was the right attitude....and a will to get it done

they may not get to the school they wanted....but they can get educated

 

[VanceMack]

This is rhetorical right? You seriously dont understand if these things are legal or not?
Legally you cant get in trouble for giving relatives chores, and you can kick anyone out at 18, but despite that Financial aid assumes all parents and families are going to pay for students past 18 to go to college. Even though there is no legal law requiring it which makes it a stupid assumption.



Im not going to college right now.

You are asking a hypothetical. SHOULD IT BE MANDATORY. BY LAW. So...logical extension...if its going to be MANDATORY then are they still my 'dependent' and can I, under the force of law, treat them as such until they are 24? You asked the question...answer the follow on. Is this JUST a one way street or will this hypothetical law include some reciprocity?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Anyone who ever filled out Fasfa or any other form of Financial aid paperworks knows hot screwed up it can be.

If a student is under the age of 24 they are considered an independent of their parents

Unless

*They join military
*They have kids at an early age
*They get married at an early age
*They are orphans/foster kids
*They were emancipated before the age of 18

Yes being 18 somehow does not make you an independent in this country, but you are allowed to go to war, get ciggerates and be tried as an adult and go to prison for statutory rape of a 15/16 year old.

As a dependent its assumed that all parents are going to pay for a students college up to age 24. Which is stupid and overly optimistic. I believe that students should automatically be declared as independents at 18, and file as their own income but clearly the financial aid department does not see it that way. I do not think wishful thinking should influence policy. So knowing all this do you believe that it should be mandatory by law that parents help pay for a students college? A lot of people think to save for college when the student is young, but a lot dont and just kind of tell their student GOOD LUCK when they turn 18.

Where'd you get this information from?

If you are a parent and have your own children that you mostly support out of pocket you are considered INDEPENDENT.
If you were emancipated then you ARE independent.
If you are a VETERAN of the military then you are independent.
.... so on, so forth.

Dependency status, for FAFSA purpose, simply means you either have the ability to claim your parents income and provide their information or you don't. There are waivers and other reasons to not provide this information, as well.

For people who are of low income and so forth there are special provisions written in to provide more reliable financial aide - and if you're independent there are things like grants and loans that dependents don't qualify for.

 

[clownboy]

financial aid doesn't consider you an adult when your 18 because then 99% of college students would qualify for full financial aid, what we should have is free college or almost free college like most americans in the 50's and 60's had, and every developed nation (except america) has

:lamo Just because you qualify doesn't mean you'll get it. But you're correct fafsa does assume you'll have at least some parental support.

And btw, there was no free college back in the 50s and 60s. It was expensive then too.