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Should our military be used to 'patrol' the streets of America the way trump wants to use them?

BabaVoss said:
It's not legal, but Trump doesn't care about that.

HIs ongoing misuse of the military is a seriously bad thing for our country.
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Yes it is bad -- it is insidious.

All the same it is legal for the Potus/C'nC to federalize a state's National Guard. It is legal to deploy a state's federalized NG to secure and protect federal buildings, property such as vehicles and personnel.

All the same it is legal for the Potus/C'nC to activate the Washington DC National Guard. It is legal for a state to send its NG into another state but only if the governor of the state approves or accepts the out of state NG into his state. It is legal for the Potus/C'nC to request other (red) state governors to send elements of their NG to DC.

It is indeed legal for Sen. Tuberville to place a "Hold" on the promotions of generals and admirals regardless of how disruptive it is to the functioning of the armed forces at home and abroad, which he did do for a chaos inducting eight months in 2024.

Yes, Trump breaks things and he busts things, and he violates laws and the Constitution, but Trump also takes the legal path anytime the law and the Constitution offer a way(s) for him to use and exploit. This is true since 2017 and it will always be true until there are no such laws remaining to exploit and he has his dictatorship.

Trump follows the laws almost anytime they suit him and there are many of those laws for Trump to exploit, since 2017. How many times has a MAGA said, "What Trump is doing is legal". More times than I can keep count of. Liberals don't ever get this. Never will get it.
 
Should our military be used to 'patrol' the streets of America the way trump wants to use them?

Facts not in evidence.
 
Simpletruther said:
Trump sucks. That has been my position from 2016 and on.

But not as bad as what you guys would put up.
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Can you demonstrate what in particular the Democrats would be "worse" at than raging inflation, deportations, floods, catastrophes, troops in the street, job loses, plant closures, loss of major international markets, the murder of innocent fishermen off the coast of Venezuela and loss of highly educated workers?

Will you show us exactly what has IMPROVED under the convicted rapist's watch?

What specific policies have the Democrats enunciated that you believe would make everything worse?

I bet we would see what's in the Epstein files!!!

And that's your biggest fear...that Trump is a kiddie ****er......
 
devildavid said:
Here is what the National Police Association has to say about being characterized as a paramilitary organization.

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I know what your lazy knock and drop post links to thx anyway.

The great reductions in crime we're seeing reported in blue cities targeted stupidly for National Guard deployments by the Generalissimo are the result of a greater "community based policing" that has met with success. This "cooperative" approach has trained police officers to have "tactical flexibility" and a more socialized approach to law enforcement. MAGAs call this pejoratively as the "social worker" approach to law enforcement work.

Either way, the police remain uniformed, armed, educated and trained, disciplined and with a chain of command. That's paramilitary as adapted to incorporating "tactical flexibility" but with the remaining discipline, means and muscle to control serious crimes ranging from drug violence to other homicides and brutal gangs.
 
Tangmo said:
The choice in '24 was clear.

Liberal Democracy vs Fascist Dictatorship.

Too many Independent voters and every third party voter has given us Fascist Dictatorship.
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That is goofy paraniod talk.
Tangmo said:
I really get some satisfaction every time I can get my hands on any one of 'em.
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Like how?
 
Tangmo said:
I know what your lazy knock and drop post links to thx anyway.

The great reductions in crime we're seeing reported in blue cities targeted stupidly for National Guard deployments by the Generalissimo are the result of a greater "community based policing" that has met with success. This "cooperative" approach has trained police officers to have "tactical flexibility" and a more socialized approach to law enforcement. MAGAs call this pejoratively as the "social worker" approach to law enforcement work.

Either way, the police remain uniformed, armed, educated and trained, disciplined and with a chain of command. That's paramilitary as adapted to incorporating "tactical flexibility" but with the remaining discipline, means and muscle to control serious crimes ranging from drug violence to other homicides and brutal gangs.
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I agree with your criticism Trump but it would help support your arguments if you did a few “lazy knock and drops” to support your assertions rather than acting like an authority on every long winded post you make.

You have an overly optimistic belief in training and oaths. We still need to watch over those tasked to watch over us. They are trained to take orders. Oaths and training don’t change a person’s character.
 
Noem has asked Hegseth to deploy 100 Illinois National Guard troops to the state.

Gov. Pritzker is addressing this as I post.

It looks like more of the Generalissimo's face saving by activating a small number of NG members in Oregon and now IL -- perhaps other states -- more as this develops.
 
Simpletruther said:
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www.whitehouse.gov

President Trump Marks Six Months in Office with Historic Successes

Today, President Donald J. Trump celebrates the most successful first six months in office for any President in modern American history. Congress passed
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Trump bragging about things that haven’t happened. You need more evidence than Trump’s hollow claims. Most of that stuff is hyperbole or things Trump had nothing at all to do with. And none of these actions have had enough time to consider what good they have done. What positive things have happened to our country and to us from all those things?
 
Tangmo said:
Noem has asked Hegseth to deploy 100 Illinois National Guard troops to the state.

Gov. Pritzker is addressing this as I post.

More as it develops.
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Link? We can follow news too.
 
Ikari said:
The military is not a policing unit and isn't allowed to be used against the citizenry the way Trump wants to use them as. Trump is pushing for something akin to martial law.
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Or something akin to North Korea. But this does remind me of the statement,

"There's a reason you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." --- Adm William Adama, Battlestar Galactica
 
Gordy327 said:
Or something akin to North Korea. But this does remind me of the statement,

"There's a reason you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." --- Adm William Adama, Battlestar Galactica
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Trump is a commie bastard, that is the ultimate goal.
 
devildavid said:
You have an overly optimistic belief in training and oaths. We still need to watch over those tasked to watch over us. They are trained to take orders. Oaths and training don’t change a person’s character.
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The mass of career civilians have no clue about the military oath to the Constitution.

The mass of civilians have no clue of their armed forces.

The military oath that is unique develops and enhances the existing character of those who choose to enlist in the US military All Volunteer Force of professionals who are dedicated, selfless, courageous and committed to the defense of the people of the United States.

Your cynical and uninitiated post has no clue. It has none of these attributes confirmed by taking the oath of the armed forces of the United States.
 
Simpletruther said:
I am really concerned about your hot take here. This changes everything.
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A wise person would think about how his attitudes reflect on himself, a foolish person wouldn't care.
 
devildavid said:
I agree with your criticism Trump but it would help support your arguments if you did a few “lazy knock and drops” to support your assertions rather than acting like an authority on every long winded post you make.
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Your post sounds like a personal problem.

Rank and file with a personal problem need to see the post chaplain who will be of a great help in dealing with it.
 
Athanasius68 said:
They are being deployed to protect federal buildings (specifically ICE detention centers).
Its the job of the federal government to protect federal property.
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Sure they are...
 
Tangmo said:
The mass of career civilians have no clue about the military oath to the Constitution.

The mass of civilians have no clue of their armed forces.

The military oath that is unique develops and enhances the existing character of those who choose to enlist in the US military All Volunteer Force of professionals who are dedicated, selfless, courageous and committed to the defense of the people of the United States.

Your cynical and uninitiated post has no clue. It has none of these attributes confirmed by taking the oath of the armed forces of the United States.
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This is funny. You call me cynical while you look down your nose cynically at the mass of civilians. The military works for civilians who them, and joining the military doesn’t make anyone a better person than when they were civilians. The military has the same share of the lazy and the self serving as the civilian population. Taking an oath is just saying words. Oaths are only as good as the actions that follow them. The military has no more selfless people than any other profession does. There are many motives for joining, and some are not so selfless. The military is a job, and it employs people no different in character from those you dismiss as civilians. Character comes from within, not from oath taking and training.
 
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