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And from what I've seen, nobody was arrested, so the law wasn't broken, according to your definition.Any of these laws are deliberately written to provide police with wide latitude, so to make any blanket statement as to whether or not YOU feel a crime was committed matters little. What matters is the decision of the police on the scene.
Hold on. You just told me my opinion doesn't matter because the decision of the police on the scene is what matters. Then you tell me your opinion and say they should have been arrested? That is hypocritical. And by the way, #3 on that list you gave applies only to residential areas.(again, from the tapes I've seen, I think arrest would have been in order. Let the courts sort it all out.
Give me a video of protesters doing this at recent town hall meetings.1. Make, continue, maintain or cause to be made or continued any excessive, unnecessary, unreasonable or unusually loud noise or any noise in such manner as to annoy, offend, disturb, injure or endanger the comfort, repose, health, peace or safety of any reasonable person of normal auditory sensitivity residing in the area.
I don't agree with that, trust me, they make enough money to cover themselves. That's another issue, they voted against an amendment to switch themselves to the UHC they are proposing and are keeping their own Cadillac plans, that should be a red flag to everyone.So why are all your state's reps & both Senators gladly taking their "Socialized Medicine?" (they just don't want the rest of us to get it)
No it means that the local police, knowing this was a national story & being video-taped wimped out & were afraid to do their duty.And from what I've seen, nobody was arrested, so the law wasn't broken, according to your definition.
Hold on. You just told me my opinion doesn't matter because the decision of the police on the scene is what matters. Then you tell me your opinion and say they should have been arrested?
Those videos are all over the net & I don't know which CNN repoirter you are referring to. (I would be very hesitant to arrest ANY reporter unless their actions were flagrant)Give me a video of protesters doing this at recent town hall meetings.
Answer my question about the CNN reporter. Do you think she was stopping free speech and disturbing the peace?
I'm not ignoring anything you say. If you read the law, disturbing the peace is a charge where the protesters actions should meet certain criteria. Not all protests are disturbing the peace by any means.And according to the broad definition you are using, virtually all protests are disturbing the peace. Protests almost always involve yelling and shouting. That is how people protest. You keep ignoring everything I say and only read what you want to read. It is quite annoying and doesn't make your argument any stronger.
my take as an agent is that ......
Or...it means nobody was breaking the law. You have absolutely no evidence for the claim you just made.No it means that the local police, knowing this was a national story & being video-taped wimped out & were afraid to do their duty.
You make a joke out of your own hypocrisy...but the hypocrisy is still there.Quite right......YOUR opinion doesn't matter....but Mine does!!
Then you should have no problem linking me to one that you see as breaking the law. What do you mean which CNN reporter? I even gave you a video of what I am talking about. Do you think reporters are higher above the law than protesters if they are doing the same thing? What on earth are you saying, that because a reporter is a reporter he or she can "disturb the peace" but a protester cannot? Once again you blatantly display the double-standard.Those videos are all over the net & I don't know which CNN repoirter you are referring to. (I would be very hesitant to arrest ANY reporter unless their actions were flagrant)
Really? Strange, you seem to have no idea what reporter I was talking about even though I gave a video link and mentioned it in several posts. But maybe you just "missed" it. (although how you can miss a large video box is beyond me.)I'm not ignoring anything you say. If you read the law, disturbing the peace is a charge where the protesters actions should meet certain criteria. Not all protests are disturbing the peace by any means.
Well, to be fair I am not currently selling any health products, the commissions aren't good for the regulations right now, I'm focusing more on selling life and annuity products at this time, but I do care about our health industry regardless, you can take my experiences and industry info for what it's worth, but I wanted to throw out the other side from our view.I knew you were a stand up guy & appreciate your honesty in divulging that you are an insurance agent, & therefore have "A Dog In The Race'"
While I applaud your honesty (you didn't have to admit that) it does perhaps explain your views in this subject. (if I worked for an insurance company I would probably want to protect my livelihood & employer too)
I'm not saying your views should be discounted......just that your work MAY unduly influence your views on this subject.
This topic is not about facts ..but opinions. I never claimed evidence on any particular event. (Please reread the Mod warning in this thread on keeping things non-specific) on page 17;Or...it means nobody was breaking the law. You have absolutely no evidence for the claim you just made.
You make a joke out of your own hypocrisy...but the hypocrisy is still there.
I must have missed your link. Either post it again or go watch TV. Since you seems determined to take this thread back to a 4th grade food fight, I'll consider a reply to any future trolling post of yours.Then you should have no problem linking me to one that you see as breaking the law. What do you mean which CNN reporter? I even gave you a video of what I am talking about. Are you completely ignoring my posts?
Once again, nearly all protests seem to fit under the criteria you are talking about. These recent healthcare protests did not disturb the peace anymore than the average protest.
Well, to be fair I am not currently selling any health products, the commissions aren't good for the regulations right now, I'm focusing more on selling life and annuity products at this time, but I do care about our health industry regardless, you can take my experiences and industry info for what it's worth, but I wanted to throw out the other side from our view.
It's about my principles really, not that disagreeing is necessarily bad. I put the country first, for instance, one of the sales techniques we use, and this is perfectly ethical, is the concept of minimizing "estate shrinkage" basically we sell a whole life policy to buffer against estate tax loss since the benefit is tax free, the fifo concept(first in first out), if the estate tax went away the concept would immediately become obsolete, which is why certain life agents are pro-estate tax, they don't want to have to develop a new pitch, that is not the way to improve as an agent, and worse, people are getting soaked in taxes partially because these guys want to lobby for easy sales hits. I am against the estate tax because everything along the line was already taxed, so therefore it is unfair to tax again, it doesn't benefit me to believe this, but the same with healthcare, it is about what I feel is right. Again, if there is middleground here, cause I think most voters just want a better system, I am willing to discuss honestly.Fair & honest reply!:applaud
It's about my principles really, not that disagreeing is necessarily bad. I put the country first, for instance, one of the sales techniques we use, and this is perfectly ethical, is the concept of minimizing "estate shrinkage" basically we sell a whole life policy to buffer against estate tax loss since the benefit is tax free, the fifo concept(first in first out), if the estate tax went away the concept would immediately become obsolete, which is why certain life agents are pro-estate tax, they don't want to have to develop a new pitch, that is not the way to improve as an agent, and worse, people are getting soaked in taxes partially because these guys want to lobby for easy sales hits. I am against the estate tax because everything along the line was already taxed, so therefore it is unfair to tax again, it doesn't benefit me to believe this, but the same with healthcare, it is about what I feel is right. Again, if there is middleground here, cause I think most voters just want a better system, I am willing to discuss honestly.
You got that right. And only a fool forms an opinion without grounding it in facts.This topic is not about facts
Yes, that response right there was definitely mature...I pointed out your hypocrisy and you tried to brush it off as a joke...so I simply pointed out that it is still there.Look pal....If you aren't mature enough to take a little humor in a good natured way, then pehaps you should go watch American Idols or something.
4th grade food fight. Really? By asking you to answer a question of mine I am somehow starting a food fight? Please. The only one acting immature right now is you. I am simply trying to have an honest debate.I must have missed your link. Either post it again or go watch TV. Since you seems determined to take this thread back to a 4th grade food fight, I'll consider a reply to any future trolling post of yours.
Then next time don't include a specific event in your original post.If you continue to troll & try to get me off topic onto specific events, this conversation is over.
You got that right. And only a fool forms an opinion without grounding it in facts.
Yes, that response right there was definitely mature...I pointed out your hypocrisy and you tried to brush it off as a joke...so I simply pointed out that it is still there.
4th grade food fight. Really? By asking you to answer a question of mine I am somehow starting a food fight? Please. The only one acting immature right now is you. I am simply trying to have an honest debate.
Then next time don't include a specific event in your original post.
This of course denotes that Washington is ready to listen. But I agree.This type of discussion deserves it's own thread & is exactly what this country needs right now. Honest, non-hysterical interplay so that we can hopefully thrash out a good compromise HC plan that will be good for most citizens & takes into account the best ideas on both sides.
Screaming at town hall meetings is exactly what we don't need anymore of!
(we should contact President Obama....I'll bet you & I could find good middle ground & stop all the hysteria!):usflag2:
This of course denotes that Washington is ready to listen. But I agree.
It was over the moment you refused to provide a factual basis for anything you said. Have a nice day :2wave:This conversation is over.
I don't see it myself, but oh well, if you want to have further debates go ahead and PM me when you start them.I think Washington is "All Ears" (no pun intended...Sorry Mr. President!) on this subject.
Obama's Presidency & the jobs of many elected officials rest on getting a compromise bill passed, probably by the end of this year.
I don't see it myself, but oh well, if you want to have further debates go ahead and PM me when you start them.
Fair enough, there's plenty of time here.Be glad to but I already have 2 threads going on the HC subject & don't want to push my luck!:lol:
I have seen far too much shouting down, disrespect, etc, occur at discussions and public meetings...
People do need to learn how to speak, and how to properly conduct themselves..
If they cannot or will not do this , then some good sealing tape across the mouth and a straight jacket are in order.
Both political parties do this and should be ashamed of themselves.
I suspect that "Libertarians" would like to see health care regressed to that of 200 years ago, when the rich could have a doctor close at hand and the poor would just die...
I say its about time we joined the rest of the civilized world and had health care for all, as a right, but limited, of course..
That's not even remotely the same as ...I don't care who wrote the laws...Congress, your state or you city.......No one has a right to disturb the peace. Any thug should goto jail for that CRIME.
I don't care who wrote the laws...Congress, your state or you city.......No one has a right to disturb the peace. Any thug should goto jail for that CRIME.
First Amendment to the United States Constitution said:“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
So the union thugs in my video should go to jail?
yes or no?
Ignoring this post will to me be evidence of hypocrisy. :2wave:
Tell you what Rev....Not only will I ignore this trolling post but will add you as only the 2nd person I ever added to my permanent IGNORE list.
Congrats!!!! & have a nice life:2wave:
“Congress shall make no law respecting…the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
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