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Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

    Votes: 20 55.6%
  • No. If protesters stop free speech, they should be removed by police.

    Votes: 14 38.9%
  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

    Votes: 6 16.7%

  • Total voters
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So Devil, since you refuse to participate in the other thread...

I take it you also admit then that the Dem's have "Plants" and "Operatives" using "deception" as well and thus are trying to "Trick" us for our votes based on THIS instances which has just as much evidence as anything you all have posted.

Oh wait...let me guess...

This will be "Different"

(of course it will be, the "difference" is in the D)




Nah, zyph, it won't be different, it won't be mentioned. :mrgreen:
 

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I don't think I'll bother to address the absurdity of this poll question. However, I think the "disrupted" meetings all became "disrupted" when someone misjudged how informed and passionate the attendees were. For instance when Spector in PA made mention of the fact that he "didn't have the time" there was a roar from the crowd. Wonder why? Then there was the one where the non-rep emcee said she wasn't there to hear from the attendees but to correct their wrong information. Wonder why that upset them? Or maybe it was the rep that took a cell phone call in the middle of a question. What a demeaning thing to do! If I have the floor and you're not listening and you represent me I'M GONNA YELL!!!

What hinders free speech is importing ACORN and SEIU supporters to a meeting to the exclusion of any who don't agree and monopolizing scarce media coverage. What hinders free speech is SEIU thugs assaulting people because they have the wrong signs or bumper stickers. What hinders free speech are "journalists" who ignore real grassroots uprisings as being some kind of conspiracy yet somehow consider the presidents townall in Montana valid when only three people applauded an NRA member. Were they the only people there from Montana? What hinders free speech is an administration that asks its supporters to report its opponents fishy emails to them at the whitehouse so that they can amass a list of opponents. What hinders free speech is a speaker of the house who calls people who don't agree with her liars and nazis. What hinders free speech is when the majority leader of the senate calls protestors unamerican and evilmongers. What hinders free speech is when someone who disagrees with the president has his tax records open to the public. What hinders free speech is when people are called by persons unknown and called f'n racists for reporting what they thought was a crime in progress. What hinders free speech is when people who are exercising their rights of free speech and assenblage are called racists and rednecks.............................................

I'm out of breath. Sorry if my shouting infringed on your free speech.
 

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So Devil, since you refuse to participate in the other thread...

What other thread? (I'm participating in many threads right now)

I take it you also admit then that the Dem's have "Plants" and "Operatives" using "deception" as well and thus are trying to "Trick" us for our votes based on THIS instances which has just as much evidence as anything you all have posted.

Oh wait...let me guess...

This will be "Different"

(of course it will be, the "difference" is in the D)


I do deny the Dems have hidden operatives at these meetings attempting to deceive why they are really there & who thay are.
If I'm wrong about that, which I doubt, I would not condone such deception either. (Organizing is fine...Deception is not)
If you have something to say at these meetings....Just say it!....Deception is not helpful to either side.
 
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I do deny the Dems have hidden operatives at these meetings attempting to deceive why they are really there & who thay are.
If I'm wrong about that, which I doubt, I would not condone such deception either.
If you have something to say at these meetings....Just say it!....Deception is not helpful to either side.
Lone Star Times Print Obama camp plants fake doc, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum

So Roxana Mayer, an Organizing for America Volunteer, did not claim in a meeting organized by Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Tx) to be a physician (when she is not)?
One supporter, Roxana Mayer, praised the reform plan for overhauling a broken system.

“I don't know what there is in the bill that creates such panic,” she said.

Mayer identified herself as a physician who does not live in Jackson Lee's district. However, her name does not appear in the database maintained by the Texas Medical Board, which licenses all doctors in Texas.
 

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Lone Star Times Print Obama camp plants fake doc, Che fan at Jackson Lee forum

So Roxana Mayer, an Organizing for America Volunteer, did not claim in a meeting organized by Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Tx) to be a physician (when she is not)?
One supporter, Roxana Mayer, praised the reform plan for overhauling a broken system.

“I don't know what there is in the bill that creates such panic,” she said.

Mayer identified herself as a physician who does not live in Jackson Lee's district. However, her name does not appear in the database maintained by the Texas Medical Board, which licenses all doctors in Texas.

Perhaps she doesn't live in Texas?
 

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That would be were Jackson Lee's district is.

Uhh...

What? :confused:

Obviously, Jackson Lee's district is in Texas.

What was your point?
 

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What was yours?
That Roxana Mayer came in from out of state to attend Sheila Jackson Lee's town hall meeting in a show of authentic (meaning non-orchestrated) "grass roots" support, of course.
 

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That Roxana Mayer came in from out of state to attend Sheila Jackson Lee's town hall meeting in a show of authentic (meaning non-orchestrated) "grass roots" support, of course.

If so, then I misread and it was my mistake.
 

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So Devil, since you refuse to participate in the other thread...

One cannot help but notice how quickly he disappeared from THIS thread once it became inconvenient.
 

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One cannot help but notice how quickly he disappeared from THIS thread once it became inconvenient.

I haven't gone anywhere & my position is still the same. Deception on either side is counter-productive & wrong......... but I can certainly understand why the Dems may want to retaliate using the same tactics as the right, if they did. (I haven't had time to read every post on this thread which I think is approaching the end of its useful life anyway as all opinions have been stated...re-stated & now it's just...:beatdeadhorse;)
 

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I haven't gone anywhere & my position is still the same. Deception on either side is counter-productive & wrong......... but I can certainly understand why the Dems may want to retaliate using the same tactics as the right, if they did. (I haven't had time to read every post on this thread which I think is approaching the end of its useful life anyway as all opinions have been stated...re-stated & now it's just...:beatdeadhorse;)

Oh, of course. :roll:
 

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I haven't gone anywhere & my position is still the same. Deception on either side is counter-productive & wrong......... but I can certainly understand why the Dems may want to retaliate using the same tactics as the right, if they did. (I haven't had time to read every post on this thread which I think is approaching the end of its useful life anyway as all opinions have been stated...re-stated & now it's just...:beatdeadhorse;)

Using others as an excuse to do something is a weak argument. Neither side should "stage" disruptive protests, nor ship in people for town halls, nor be dishonest about what they are doing.
 

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What was yours?

Well, I didn't at the time know anything about the situation, and I noted the following in the post I quoted.

Mayer identified herself as a physician who does not live in Jackson Lee's district. However, her name does not appear in the database maintained by the Texas Medical Board, which licenses all doctors in Texas.

So I wondered if the person in question didn't live in Texas, and was perhaps a doctor in another state.

Is that possible?

I have no idea how the medical boards work.

An additional point I was trying to make was that in the spirit of the OP, such actions, if said "doctor" were from out of state, would possibly get her arrested and sent to jail.
 
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Using others as an excuse to do something is a weak argument. Neither side should "stage" disruptive protests, nor ship in people for town halls, nor be dishonest about what they are doing.

And yet they very likely do.

Such actions, if discovered, could be easily presented to the public by the opposing party in a negative light. That, IMO, is punishment enough, and would be discouragement enough if people cared enough to discover such things. Which most don't.
 

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I haven't gone anywhere & my position is still the same. Deception on either side is counter-productive & wrong......... but I can certainly understand why the Dems may want to retaliate using the same tactics as the right, if they did. (I haven't had time to read every post on this thread which I think is approaching the end of its useful life anyway as all opinions have been stated...re-stated & now it's just...:beatdeadhorse;)

I am of the opinion that it is precisely because your position is the same that you have reduced your level of participation in this thread.

I believe that you have been proven wrong and incorrect in your position, and do not wish to admit it.

If, of course, it is still your opinion that you are correct in your position, then that is something only you can change.
I would still hope that you could see the danger involved in what you suggest, and come to have a change of opinion.
But as this thread has 400+ responses and such as not occurred, it seems unlikely.
 

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I am of the opinion that it is precisely because your position is the same that you have reduced your level of participation in this thread.
You have a right to your opinion....which is simply wrong. My reduced level of participation in this thread is simply due to the fact that no news ideas/views seem to be coming out & it's now just dissolving into personal attack.....where they all seem to end up.
BTW, your post was quite civil & I'm not implying it was an attack.

I believe that you have been proven wrong and incorrect in your position, and do not wish to admit it.
You have a right to your opinion....which is simply wrong.

If, of course, it is still your opinion that you are correct in your position, then that is something only you can change.
It is & it's unchanged.

I would still hope that you could see the danger involved in what you suggest, and come to have a change of opinion.
But as this thread has 400+ responses and such as not occurred, it seems unlikely.
It won't.
 
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It is funny, though, how threads manage to become "pointless" precisely at the time you get your lungs handed to you in it.

Hmmmm.
 

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It is funny, though, how threads manage to become "pointless" precisely at the time you get your lungs handed to you in it.

Hmmmm.

:lol::lol:...I must admit it amuses me the way you guys pretend you actually won an argument with your "Fail" & "Get your lungs handed to you"....4th grade "Got You Last" crap.
Maybe if you actually made a good argument SOMEONE ELSE would congratulate you for a change.

Try it sometime.:poke
 
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:lol::lol:...I must admit it amuses me the way you guys pretend you actually won an argument with your "Fail" & "Get your lungs handed to you"....4th grade "Got You Last" crap.
Maybe if you actually made a good argument SOMEONE ELSE would congratulate you for a change.

Try it sometime.:poke

Isn't self-congratulation kinda sorta what you're doing here?
 
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