Wow...you're seriously trying to say that water is worse than marijuana.
....just wow.
Please refer to my post 9 posts up and you'll see my argument against this notion. Just because water overdose, which is EXTREMELY unlikely and almost 99% of the time occurs not due to water but due to some kind of outward activity that combines with it, can cause death does not mean it is more dangerous than Marijuana.
Put it this way...
Find all the cases of "Water Drunk in excess + Holding it in for a contest = death" that you can, and I'll find all the "Smokes pot + drives car = death" and lets see whose total is higher.
to me, Life is one big "tasting contest"--I try everything, to see what I like. the things I like, I order up a double. the things I don't like, I feed to the dog. I don't live in fear of death, I welcome it's coming. Calculated risk is fine with me---but I don't bungie jump.
It's a fallacy to ask someone to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on those people who claim MJ causes mental health problems.
Fair enough, but the constant insinuations do annoy me after all, let me say it clearly, once and for all:I take your point but a professors opinion quoted in popular media convinces me more than tokers.
I respect yours but agree with him.
There is no "outward activity" necessary to die from water intoxication. You simply have to drink a lot of water without getting enough salt or other minerals. I agree that it is unlikely for this to happen, but it is even more unlikely to overdose on cannabis.
I think the findings have already been presented in summary.Incorrect in this case. While you can't prove a negative you can have studies that show that something has "no affect".
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Cannabis and mental health - TheSite.orgThe four main theories
- The first theory suggests that cannabis use can cause mental disorders, or worsen existing psychotic symptoms (paranoia, hallucinations and delusions) among people with schizophrenia and bipolar affective disorder;
- The second argues that cannabis use can trigger psychotic symptoms in those who are already prone to mental disorders - for instance, those who have close family members with illnesses such as schizophrenia;
- The third states that cannabis use doesn't cause or trigger mental illness, but that some people are likely to experience both simply as a result of common circumstances, such as stress and anxiety caused by family difficulties, unemployment or other drug use;
- The fourth claims that any link is down to the fact that many people with mental health disorders use cannabis to ease the symptoms they're experiencing.
Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDAMarijuana and Mental Health
A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.6 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.
Actually, you do need an outward activity to die from water intoxication.
The two general cases in which people die from water intoxication is:
1. In contests where they are not allowed to vomit or pee, thus forcefully choosing to forgo natural bodily reflexes that is your body fighting against the poisoning. Essentially, choosing to do something else which creates the situation where death is possible
2. In sports situations, in which case one must be actively doing putting forth some extreme exertion while taking down large amounts of water. Again, it is not singularly the act of drinking water that does it but the addition of another factor into the equation.
A healthy person is likely 99.99999999% unlikely to die from water intoxication if they're not forcefully keeping themselves from going to the bathroom or vomiting or doing extremely exhaustive exercise, even if they drink a whole lot of water during the day.
All the while, it does not have nearly as many of the other negative effects that pot either unquestionably has or at the very least is realistically potentially has.
No, there's no comparing Marijuana and its potential negative effects and danger and water. One must go to the absolute most extreme position with water, and combine it with some other activity, to get to any legitimate place of danger or negative with it in a healthy person. Such is not the case with marijuana.
No more so than Grapefruit juice.I am questioning whether pot smoking can be a trigger for pre-existing mental illness.
You are wrong. There are many factors that can increase your risk besides the two scenarios you mentioned, but none of them are necessary. It can be caused by diarrhea or vomiting that results in lack of salt absorption and increased fluid intake
It can be caused by excess sweating regardless of exertion.
They can give you too much fluid in a hospital.
There are mental conditions that cause people to drink too much water. People on diets have died from it. There doesn't need to be any other external factor other than too much water intake.
As far as other negative effects.. I was trying to stick to this subject so I wouldn't have to mention drowning, floods, tsunamis, etc.
:rofl You really should chill out a little bit, my brother. You could sure use a spliff.Diarrhea and vomiting don't just "happen". Diarrhea comes about typically due to health reasons, and as such AGAIN you can not simply equate it to WATER alone being more dangerous than marijuana because it needs a SICK person to even have the POTENTIAL in this case of being dangerous. Similarly with vomiting, which would require someone to be ill to vomit that much OR to cause the action themselves...again, not just from drinking water.
The level of excess sweating would be of such a great and huge proportion that one would have to have some kind of medical condition for such to happen, in which case, again, its not just the intake of water but a combination with a medical condition.
Again, a highly unlikely scenario and again one which requires some other exterior factor to become dangerous. Someone could give you pot and put you in a car too.
MENTAL CONDITION
DIETS
Oh look, again, words either indicating some kind of ILLNESS or the person doing some kind of other action that allows water to get to the point of being that dangerous.
And again, even then, are at a RIDICULOUSLY low level of occurance
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Okay, thanks, yeah...you're not attempting serious discussion here at all if you're pulling out your trump card is that you're going to pull out water killing you in ways that have NOTHING TO DO WITH INGESTION
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for the love of christ. People like you and Liberal are as much to blame for this not being legal as those that buy into the myths, because its ridiculous, over the top, pathetically ignorant and stupid arguments like this that cause the average person that has no dog in this fight to look at it and go "haha, stupid potheads, they just want to get high"
I used to think it's a matter of individual rights, but the other side of the coin are negative externalities....
What is important is the following question:
What right does anyone have regulating the substances an adult is willing to place in his body?
Medical effects be damned, the hophead has as much right to destroy his one and only body with heroin as the pothead has to damage his body with marijuana as the sanctimonious regulating tee-totaller has sticking his head up his ass.
I used to think it's a matter of individual rights, but the other side of the coin are negative externalities.
Who's going to pick up the bill when somebody self-medicates for a depression, gets worse instead of better, loses their job and winds up in care, the tee-totaller who objected to it being legalised? :roll:
What about the loss of productivity, it's hardly the sort of drug which makes one feel perky in the morning and ready to concentrate on a difficult task.
What are the benefits the community derives from people smoking pot, do they make up for the costs?
Should it be legalized? Hell No! I've already been close enough to head on collisions by people under the influence. Why make it easy to get stoned? And don't give me the crap about there not being more people smoking if it's legal. When gambling was legalized in my state making access much easier the rolls at Gambler's Anonymous skyrocketed.
It is easy to get high
Ya--what He said. :mrgreen:The thing is, I really don't care how bad pot is for someone when disscussing whether to make it legal or not. It is no reason to make it illegal to produce and sell to adults. If it was illegal to sell you anything that stood a chance of killing you or ruining your life, then cars, gambling, alcohol, and engagement rings would be banned. The the cost in money and blood in the War on Drugs are far higher than the death toll of all illicit drugs combined in this country. Yes, pot may increase the chance of mental illness in those more predisposed to it. It might cause cancer. SO WHAT? Alcohol definately can give you cirrosis of the liver.
This applies moreso to alcohol
Sodium is more dangerous than pot.
I love how people can just about justify any addiction or habit with silly statements like this. The human brain is the master of rationalizing.
:rofl:rofl:rofl
I love how people can just about justify any addiction or habit with silly statements like this. The human brain is the master of rationalizing.
:rofl:rofl:rofl
Ah, yes, that must be what was meant, it shows that both Sodium and water are dangerous substances, and this would be a very good legalising argument...:lol:Well c'mon, let's be fair, by "Sodium is more dangerous than pot", he might have been talking about "Na" (the chemical symbol), when it's in its purest form it happens to be highly explosive and deadly when put in water.
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