Should it be legal to use ethnic slurs as insults? (2 Viewers)

[rahl]

Congress shall make no law...

14th amendment. Already schooled you on this.

 

[Grand Mal]

Let's make this easy. Cities and states can't make laws that violate the 4th or 5th amendments on illegal search and seizure or the right to remain silent. Why would you think they could just violate the first amendment at will?

It's simple. The First Amendment only limits what Congress can do. The language couldn't be clearer. A state government or city government can't violate the first. Only Congress could.
Why is this a problem?

 

[Grand Mal]

14th amendment. Already schooled you on this.

First Amendment. Schooled you on it.

 

[rahl]

First Amendment. Schooled you on it.

14 comes after 1

 

[OlNate]

Dueling started in Italy in the 16oo's or so...


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Umm... intersting fact, but I was more talking about when it ended in America.

 

[Grand Mal]

14 comes after 1

You said... ah, **** it. Done with your stupid backpedalling.

 

[rahl]

You said... ah, **** it. Done with your stupid backpedalling.

I refuted your position with constitutional law in my first reply, and have been reminding you of that in each subsequent post. There has been no back peddling

 

[Bodi]

Umm... intersting fact, but I was more talking about when it ended in America.

My Bad. I need to learn to read! LOL

 

[Along Came Jones]

14 comes after 1

Why not just say what you've implied. The USSC decided the 14th Amendment applied the 1st Amendment to the states via incorporation? Gitlow v. New York (1925) Or maybe I missed it?

 

[Juin]

Why is that the problem?

Is it somehow upsetting to you that you can not use the n word without being considered a racist ?

No one should use it, or everyone should use it

 

[Jason Warfield]

In terms of jailing someone over it, no. But there are consequences for you if you do that don't really involve the government locking you up.

You have the legal right to say it in my store and I have the legal right to kick you out and ban you from my store if you do.

Now, here's the thing...and I've mentioned this before here...I asked a guy to stop using the N-word in my store. Asked. His buddies the next day showed up, made sure I was there and slowly drove back and forth in front of my store with their pickups adorned with Trump, MAGA and **** Biden flags, making gestures at me. They were trying to intimidate me to quit and were surprised when I didn't. After a couple of days, they stopped when they realized that I wasn't going anywhere. Luckily, no violence...but what if there was?

 

[rahl]

Why not just say what you've implied. The USSC decided the 14th Amendment applied the 1st Amendment to the states via incorporation? Gitlow v. New York (1925) Or maybe I missed it?

I didn’t imply anything. I pointed out constitutional law. The 14th incorporates the bill of rights to the states.

 

[OlNate]

My Bad. I need to learn to read! LOL

Lol... you're good, you know I can't stay mad at you Bodi...

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

No one should use it, or everyone should use it

Why?

The context changes depending on who uses it

 

[stealthycat]

can black people use the N word ? if we're going to ban words ... ban them, be fair and equal in doing it though

and remember, its not illegal to dislike and/or hate

and why regulate it to "ethnic slurs" ???

ban the female dog word, ban derogatory women words, ban words referring to men genitals ... ban every word that someone could take offensive

right?



Ban "Magat" and similar words, they offend me. Ban "hillbilly" and "redneck" ... they offend me. Right ?

 

[NJBob]

Big difference between legal and appropriate.

 

[Along Came Jones]

I didn’t imply anything. I pointed out constitutional law. The 14th incorporates the bill of rights to the states.

As far back as I traced the exchange between you and @Grand Mal I didn't see any mention of incorporation. Nor did I see a reference to it being selective incorporation via USSC interpretation. Not all the Bill of Rights have been incorporated. If you posted to this effect, I simply missed it. Sorry.

After the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court, through a string of cases, found that the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth amendment included applying parts of the Bill of Rights to States (referred to as incorporation). A lot of contention surrounds whether the Fourteenth Amendment should incorporate any substantive rights, with opinions from Supreme Court justices ranging from complete to no incorporation. -- From Incorporation Doctrine, Legal Information Institute, Cornell University

 

[Dans La Lune]

Been following the Shiloh Hendrix show, and was curious.

Yes, it should be legal to be a deplorable asshole.

 

[Juin]

Why?

The context changes depending on who uses it

A slur is a slur and remains a slur.

 

[NJBob]

A slur is a slur and remains a slur.

Using a slur is a sign of ignorance, regardless of context.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

A slur is a slur and remains a slur.

Not always


What is the name for a female dog?

What is an insult for women?

The word is the same, the context is different and one is an insult the other is not.

When it comes to the n word, if non blacks use it it becomes an ethnic slur, if blacks use it, it is an insult but not an ethnic slur

 

[OlNate]

can black people use the N word ? if we're going to ban words ... ban them, be fair and equal in doing it though

Not an equivalency, as that word has many meanings in that community, and the thread is about ethnic slurs as insults.

and remember, its not illegal to dislike and/or hate

Absolutely agree. What goes on in your head is your business. It's only when you make it my problem that it is, in fact, a problem.

and why regulate it to "ethnic slurs" ???

Good point. I agree, we should expand the scope to include all forms of assholery.

ban the female dog word, ban derogatory women words, ban words referring to men genitals ... ban every word that someone could take offensive

Wouldn't it be great to go a whole day without hearing anyone be miserable to each other, or have to endure someone being miserable to you? Don't threaten me with a good time, basically....lol

right?



Ban "Magat" and similar words, they offend me. Ban "hillbilly" and "redneck" ... they offend me. Right ?

Yeah, ideally.

What's the upside to us being jerks to one another? What is it about assholes that demands protection? What's the ROI?

The examples you bring up would seem to indicate that you, too, are not a fan of having to deal with people being ugly to you. Therefore it should be super easy to understand why others feel the same way. You have made an excellent case for legislating decency, well done!

 

[rahl]

As far back as I traced the exchange between you and @Grand Mal I didn't see any mention of incorporation. Nor did I see a reference to it being selective incorporation via USSC interpretation. Not all the Bill of Rights have been incorporated. If you posted to this effect, I simply missed it. Sorry.

After the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court, through a string of cases, found that the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth amendment included applying parts of the Bill of Rights to States (referred to as incorporation). A lot of contention surrounds whether the Fourteenth Amendment should incorporate any substantive rights, with opinions from Supreme Court justices ranging from complete to no incorporation. -- From Incorporation Doctrine, Legal Information Institute, Cornell University

The 14th incorporated the entirety of the constitution to the states. Not just select amendments.

 

[stealthycat]

Not an equivalency, as that word has many meanings in that community, and the thread is about ethnic slurs as insults.

"in that community" ?

who's the say/decide the meanings? Maybe "in that community" offends me .... doesn't that count ?

Absolutely agree. What goes on in your head is your business. It's only when you make it my problem that it is, in fact, a problem.

see above - a black man calling another black man N word being highly offensive to someone ... isn't that a "my problem" thing?

Good point. I agree, we should expand the scope to include all forms of assholery.

or learn to ignore it ?

Wouldn't it be great to go a whole day without hearing anyone be miserable to each other, or have to endure someone being miserable to you? Don't threaten me with a good time, basically....lol


Yeah, ideally.

What's the upside to us being jerks to one another? What is it about assholes that demands protection? What's the ROI?

The examples you bring up would seem to indicate that you, too, are not a fan of having to deal with people being ugly to you. Therefore it should be super easy to understand why others feel the same way. You have made an excellent case for legislating decency, well done!

go top youtube

search for the Star Trek episode with Abe Lincoln and how he addressed Ohura ...... Star Trek - "The Savage Curtain" episode

in 1968 Roddenberry understood ... and yet in 2025 people still don't

 

[justoneman]

No.

Some statements are simply not to be used in a public setting.

Calling a woman a 'slut' can be a crime here but would more likely be a civil proceeding.

Our constitution provides for "freedom of expression" with general provisos that you cannot libel or otherwise misconstrue information regarding an individual. You can say Joe Blow is a regular at the Night Club, but you cannot say he's a drunk.

That is an awful law.