Should it be legal to use ethnic slurs as insults? (6 Viewers)

[Serenity]

I don't know that person.

White mom calls 5 year old the n-word on the playground. Video goes viral. She plays the victim and people have sent her $317,000 so far (goal is $1m)

So how in the world is this political? Well, just read my following posts of what the donors are saying to her in support.

debatepolitics.com

I believe she has now raised over $600,000 on a crowdfunding site.

 

[Loulit01]

Not here.


It would be ruled impugning a reputation.

How can telling the truth not be legal?

 

[Serenity]

I'm not going to sit here and defend someone who called a 5 year old autistic boy the N word. When challenged, she said "“I called the kid out for what he was.”

Not ok.

 

[Loulit01]

Most scholars agree that Canada's version constructed over the course of 20 years is superior to the one written over 200 years ago and amended HOW MANY times?

Source?

Sorry, bu world scholars and leading legal experts would NEVER put the US constitution anywhere near the top of anything!

Source?

This is ridiculous. When the U.S. Constitution was drafted every other country remotely connected to the United States had some type of monarchy. The U.S. Constitution, founded on the principles of Enlightenment philosophers Rousseau, Locke, Hobbes et al. is a groundbreaking document and the foundation many national constitutions world-wide.

The U.S. Constitution was adopted in 1787. The Canadian constitution came much about 90 years later and was significantly amended in 1982:


The core of the Canadian Constitution, the Constitution Act, 1867 (formerly the British North America Act), was written in 1867. However, it was later amended and supplemented by the Constitution Act, 1982, which also includes the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is now considered an integral part of the Canadian Constitution. The Canada Act, which patriated the Constitution and introduced the Constitution Act, 1982, was approved by the British Parliament on March 25, 1982.

So back off, buddy.

take a look at your government!

Trump is a ****ing dictator and you're all standing around smiling as he wipes his ass with your precious constitution! That's sure working for you now!!!!
Technically Trump wouldn't even be allowed to run as an MP. He's a convicted rapist!

Great laws you got there.

Jesus, arguing superiority with Trump smashing everything breakable is hilarious!!!

Yeah, Trump bad. We know.

 

[VanceMack]

If you believe in free speech, then yes. Protected speech cant just be the speech you like.

 

[Grand Mal]

You haven't seen any of our Black comedians throw the N word around like it's confetti in front of national audiences?

Call an adult a nigger and you're taking your chances.
Call a child a nigger and you're guilty of child abuse.
Let's see this post gets accepted or censored while we decide where the chips lay.

Okay.

Ours too.

You can if he's a drunk. The truth cannot be libel or slander.

 

[Loulit01]

Call an adult a nigger and you're taking your chances.
Call a child a nigger and you're guilty of child abuse.
Let's see this post gets accepted or censored while we decide where the chips lay.

I thought we were talking about what speech is legal and illegal according to our respective constitutions.

 

[CLAX1911]

Been following the Shiloh Hendrix show, and was curious.

Yes I believe in free speech. As long as it's not a direct call of violence, or as long as it doesn't cause any quantifiable injury outside of hurting your feces people should be allowed to say it.

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't know that person.

Viral moment that could possibly be a stunt where a young mother supposedly called a black child the n word.

 

[Grand Mal]

I thought we were talking about what speech is legal and illegal according to our respective constitutions.

Oh, sorry. I thought we were talking about what is socially acceptable.
The word 'nigger' seems to be negotiable.

 

[CLAX1911]

So if a white person calls a Black person the N word it's illegal, but if a Black person calls a Black person the N word it's legal?

I think the philosophy on this depends on something that people are referring to is the hard r. As in the non-rotic pronunciation.

 

[Loulit01]

I think the philosophy on this depends on something that people are referring to is the hard r. As in the non-rotic pronunciation.

Yeah, that'll stand up in court.

 

[CLAX1911]

White mom calls 5 year old the n-word on the playground. Video goes viral. She plays the victim and people have sent her $317,000 so far (goal is $1m)

So how in the world is this political? Well, just read my following posts of what the donors are saying to her in support.

debatepolitics.com

I believe she has now raised over $600,000 on a crowdfunding site.

What I find interesting about this is people are comparing this incident to the Anthony family raising money for their son's defense.

I really think this comes off as a scam that the two people in the video were in on. But even if it wasn't I don't think it's even in the same universe and someone murdering a person.

Sticks and Stones you know.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yeah, that'll stand up in court.

Oh no it won't stand up in court there is no such thing as an illegal word. At least not in the US. But it seems to be a big issue in the court of public opinion.

 

[aociswundumho]

Yes I believe in free speech. As long as it's not a direct call of violence,

What's the benefit to making threats illegal? It doesn't change the feelings or emotions of the person who would make the threat.

I would argue that it benefits the victim to know that this person is serious about hurting them.

 

[noonereal]

I don't know that person.

No one does.

 

[CLAX1911]

What's the benefit to making threats illegal? It doesn't change the feelings or emotions of the person who would make the threat.

I would argue that it benefits the victim to know that this person is serious about hurting them.

I don't understand

 

[aociswundumho]

I don't understand

Suppose Jack wants to murder Jill.

If he keeps it to himself, he’s more likely to succeed - she won’t see it coming.

But if he threatens her, now she knows to avoid him. It’s disturbing, sure, but knowing gives her a chance to protect herself.

So while the threat is upsetting, it makes her safer, imo. That’s why I don’t think threatening someone should be illegal.

I, personally, would want to know if someone wanted to kill me.

 

[Loulit01]

Suppose Jack wants to murder Jill.

If he keeps it to himself, he’s more likely to succeed - she won’t see it coming.

But if he threatens her, now she knows to avoid him. It’s disturbing, sure, but knowing gives her a chance to protect herself.

So while the threat is upsetting, it makes her safer, imo. That’s why I don’t think threatening someone should be illegal.

I, personally, would want to know if someone wanted to kill me.

This is the type of "logic" that got Trump reelected.

 

[KingLeo]

Freedom of speech is a fundamental right guaranteed by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. This means people generally have the right to express their views, even if those views are considered offensive or hateful by others.
However, there are exceptions where speech, including racial slurs, can lose its First Amendment protection and become illegal:

• Hate crimes: If a racial slur is used during the commission of a crime motivated by bias against the victim's race, it can be considered a hate crime and subject to prosecution.
• True threats: If a racial slur is used to convey a genuine threat of harm, it is not protected speech.
• Incitement to violence: Speech that directly incites imminent lawless action or violence is not protected.
• Fighting words: Words that are likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction from a reasonable person may not be protected.
• Hostile work environment: In some cases, repeated or severe use of racial slurs in the workplace can create a hostile work environment, which is a form of illegal discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

 

[CLAX1911]

Suppose Jack wants to murder Jill.

If he keeps it to himself, he’s more likely to succeed - she won’t see it coming.

But if he threatens her, now she knows to avoid him. It’s disturbing, sure, but knowing gives her a chance to protect herself.

So while the threat is upsetting, it makes her safer, imo. That’s why I don’t think threatening someone should be illegal.

I, personally, would want to know if someone wanted to kill me.

Issuing that's isn't about stating intent.

 

[Felis Leo]

Been following the Shiloh Hendrix show, and was curious.

No. It will only ever be selectively enforced by the powerful against the powerless.

 

[GIJane]

Legal or not get used to it. Trump and the MAGAs will continue to lower the level of civility regardless.

Personally, I do not condone it in my presence among people I am associating with at the time. Why say things that are hateful and hurtful to other people? Once you put it out there, whether it is heard by the object of your derision or not, it's out there in the world. It defines and diminishes you. You may not know it but it does.


Be the change you wish to see in the world, as Gandhi said.

Let's be clear. Conservatives are no less civil than Democrats when it comes to racial slurs. Yes, there are people who use those words , but there are people on BOTH sides that do.

Trying to dump incivility only on Conservatives is disingenuous. It isn't conservatives using anti-sematic rhetoric, it is the liberal left of your party.

 

[Loulit01]

Let's be clear. Conservatives are no less civil than Democrats when it comes to racial slurs. Yes, there are people who use those words , but there are people on BOTH sides that do.

Trying to dump incivility only on Conservatives is disingenuous. It isn't conservatives using anti-sematic rhetoric, it is the liberal left of your party.

Show me one (1) democrat making an anti-sematic slur. Oy, what nonsense.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

It is - and should be - legal to use "ethic slurs" as insults.