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Should intelligent design be considered science?

Where in there is there anything that refutes what I said?
Hint there isn't

Now do you have any evidence of God or just the illogical claim that not knowing means God did it?
That was a rhetorical question as we already know you do not


"Not knowing doenst mean God did it"


I posted the statement from the National Academy of Sciences. Thus, I say:

There are indications that it could have been GOD-CREATED. You cannot eliminate the possibility.

Are you saying you agree with me?
The possibility that it could have been God-created exists?
 
“Though there is diversity within the group, Intelligent Design proponents generally fail to meet the norms for good scientific behavior in their work on Intelligent Design on several counts. First, few advocates build on existing scientific knowledge. Many misinterpret evolutionary theory and the nature of science, and do not fully understand the current research in an area before launching a critique of it. Perhaps most importantly, because Intelligent Design is untestable, proponents are unable to expose their ideas to testing in a meaningful way and cannot evaluate whether their ideas are supported by evidence.
So far, there are no documented cases of Intelligent Design research contributing to a new scientific discovery. Intelligent Design proponents, of course, continue to write about the idea, but this work is not generative — that is, it tends to repeat itself and does not help build new, more detailed explanations. Intelligent Design proponents instead tend to focus on critiquing specific evolutionary explanations (e.g., for bacterial flagella). Ironically, the misapplication of evolutionary theory and misunderstanding of the nature of science inherent in these critiques has so frustrated evolutionary biologists that they have sometimes increased their research efforts in the areas targeted by Intelligent Design. We now know a lot more about how bacterial flagella evolved than we did ten years ago!“


Challenge to ID believers: do you still consider ID to be science? If so, how? If not, will you then admit that evolution is the only SCIENCE-BASED theory/fact for the manner in which life has come to its present form on this planet?
Religion has never been concerned with facts or truth.
 
"Not knowing doenst mean God did it"


I posted the statement from the National Academy of Sciences. Thus, I say:

There are indications that it could have been GOD-CREATED. You cannot eliminate the possibility.

Are you saying you agree with me?
The possibility that it could have been God-created exists?

You continue to misrepresent the NSA statement, and thus your follow-on arguments mean essentially nothing.
 
"Not knowing doenst mean God did it"


I posted the statement from the National Academy of Sciences. Thus, I say:

There are indications that it could have been GOD-CREATED. You cannot eliminate the possibility.

Are you saying you agree with me?
The possibility that it could have been God-created exists?
Are you agreeing with me do you admit we dont know if God exists?
Because if you are that's fine.
If you are lying and claiming you have evidence and know then I will call out your BS
 
You are entitled to your faith. 🤷
science is not faith, it is the opposite of faith
Hello? Yours is the one that's made up!
🤣🤣🤣 Nope, that is just nonsensical
Lol - yes, you did refer to magic. Go back and check out what you said.
Nope, I said I don't believe in magical beings, I believe in facts and reality. Religion is the belief in a supernatural being (aka, magic) and other people able to miracles (magic in other words).
"fantasy book" to you.
A "fantasy book" that's been challenged and sought to be debunked by many......and some had instead, been converted!
A "fantasy book" that's been debated by scholars and philosophers and even by scientists!
But of course, you don't want to accept the significance of that.....or, you don't get the significance of that.
It is a fantasy book because it is not based on provable facts and historical evidence. And if you have a book like that you have a fantasy book. And yes, in my opinion, but an opinion based on evidence/history known. And debunking is not really logical because the ones believing in the fantasy book believe it to be fact and nothing will make them think logically. An ark with 2 of each animal? People living centuries? All people coming from 1 person? Because only Adam will have had unique DNA (the whole story is ludicrous of course). God killing all the first born in Egypt? etc. etc. etc.

I respect that people have reverence for that book of stories because it is a guide as to how to live, but I have no real respect for those who claim it is historical fact.
You did.
Unless you don't realize the implication of what you're posting?
more untrue nonsense
 
The person who may ridicule faith usually has faith himself in tried and trusted friends. The scientist has faith in the principles of his branch of science. He bases new experiments on past discoveries and looks for new discoveries on the basis of those things already established as true. Likewise, the farmer prepares his soil and sows the seed, expecting, as in previous years, that the seed will sprout and that the plants will grow as they receive the needed moisture and sunshine. Therefore faith in the stability of the natural laws governing the universe actually constitutes a foundation for man’s plans and activities. Such stability is alluded to by the wise writer of Ecclesiastes: “The sun also has flashed forth, and the sun has set, and it is coming panting to its place where it is going to flash forth. The wind is going to the south, and it is circling around to the north. Round and round it is continually circling, and right back to its circlings the wind is returning. All the winter torrents are going forth to the sea, yet the sea itself is not full. To the place where the winter torrents are going forth, there they are returning so as to go forth.”—Ec 1:5-7.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word ʼa·manʹ and other words closely related convey the sense of trustworthiness, faithfulness, steadiness, steadfastness, being firmly established, long-lasting. (Ex 17:12; De 28:59; 1Sa 2:35; 2Sa 7:16; Ps 37:3) One related noun (ʼemethʹ) usually denotes “truth,” but also “faithfulness” or “trustworthiness.” (2Ch 15:3, ftn; 2Sa 15:20; compare Ne 7:2, ftn.) The familiar term “Amen” (Heb., ʼa·menʹ) also comes from
ʼa·manʹ.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001484
 
I only ridicule weak faith. If you need to PROVE God for others, your faith is weak. And you are defying His Word...which is to believe on faith.
Matthew 28:19,20...
 
Who told you that and why do you believe them?
Who told me that we have free will?

Is it not self-evident? Am I not freely engaging you? There are others here who act like children--I choose not to engage them as they are a waste of time. Is this not evidence enough of free-will?

Are you being forced or otherwise compelled to engage with me on this site? No, of course, not. You are here and choosing to engage with me of your own free will.

And if we have free-will then we are not a "cause-and-effect" product of evolution.
 
LOL What? Please explain that. Connect those dots.
Evolution is the blind, mindless, un-directed, accidental, un-purposeful forces that is the explanation of our being then our minds are the product of those blind, mindless, un-directed, accidental and un-purposeful forces. We are not capable of logic, reason and rational (as logic, reason and rational are clearly not blind, mindless, un-directed or un-purposeful). We are simply cause-and-effect machines not capable of free will.
 
Evolution is the blind, mindless, un-directed, accidental, un-purposeful forces that is the explanation of our being then our minds are the product of those blind, mindless, un-directed, accidental and un-purposeful forces. We are not capable of logic, reason and rational (as logic, reason and rational are clearly not blind, mindless, un-directed or un-purposeful). We are simply cause-and-effect machines not capable of free will.
What makes you think that those mental attributes didnt develop thru the selective pressures of evolution and become more developed during evolution? (these arent unanswered questions, but maybe you dont know that)

You seem to imply that evolution could drive the development of physiological systems and forms...including brains...so why not brain capacity?

All other animals dont have the same mental ability and intelligence, do they? Didnt their species' capabilities also evolve? Or, you're going with God granted each their abilities per species?

This is AWESOME!
 
What makes you think that those mental attributes didnt develop thru the selective pressures of evolution and become more developed during evolution? (these arent unanswered questions, but maybe you dont know that)
There is no evidence for it.

Ultimately, the only "evidence" that evolutionist have is that "we can think so we must have evolved that ability". But this is circular reasoning.
You seem to imply that evolution could drive the development of physiological systems and forms...including brains...so why not brain capacity?
I've implied nothing of the kind.
All other animals dont have the same mental ability and intelligence, do they? Didnt their species' capabilities also evolve?
Based on what? The fact that they all have different abilities and intelligence so they must have evolved that way?

Only if you believe in evolution as a starting point.
Or, you're going with God granted each their abilities per species?
I do believe that God placed His grand design in motion, yes.
This is AWESOME!
How so?
 
There is no evidence for it.

Ultimately, the only "evidence" that evolutionist have is that "we can think so we must have evolved that ability". But this is circular reasoning.

I've implied nothing of the kind.

Based on what? The fact that they all have different abilities and intelligence so they must have evolved that way?

Only if you believe in evolution as a starting point.

I do believe that God placed His grand design in motion, yes.

How so?
So....a big nothing burger. It's not circular reasoning, it's been supported by the evidence of fossils and brain case sizes and art and tools and communication etc etc etc etc etc for hundreds of thousands of years. Look at you, failing again. Your argument is..."um, nope." 😆 😆

Anyway, I was pretty sure you had no idea what you were talking about there. Just checking.

I'm good for now!
 
So....a big nothing burger. It's not circular reasoning, it's been supported by the evidence of fossils and brain case sizes and art and tools and communication etc etc etc etc etc for hundreds of thousands of years. Look at you, failing again. Your argument is..."um, nope." 😆 😆
Oh?

Well, by all means, "connect-the-dots".
 
Oh?

Well, by all means, "connect-the-dots".
I've already seen that show. Thanks to Watsup and others. No thanks.

You were very very clear :D
 
Who told me that we have free will?

Is it not self-evident? Am I not freely engaging you? There are others here who act like children--I choose not to engage them as they are a waste of time. Is this not evidence enough of free-will?

Are you being forced or otherwise compelled to engage with me on this site? No, of course, not. You are here and choosing to engage with me of your own free will.

And if we have free-will then we are not a "cause-and-effect" product of evolution.

Of course we’re a product of evolution, ergo so is our feee will. What other cause could there possibly be?
 
Evolution is the blind, mindless, un-directed, accidental, un-purposeful forces that is the explanation of our being then our minds are the product of those blind, mindless, un-directed, accidental and un-purposeful forces. We are not capable of logic, reason and rational (as logic, reason and rational are clearly not blind, mindless, un-directed or un-purposeful). We are simply cause-and-effect machines not capable of free will.

None of that makes a bit of real sense.
 
There is no evidence for it.

Ultimately, the only "evidence" that evolutionist have is that "we can think so we must have evolved that ability". But this is circular reasoning.

I've implied nothing of the kind.

Based on what? The fact that they all have different abilities and intelligence so they must have evolved that way?

Only if you believe in evolution as a starting point.

I do believe that God placed His grand design in motion, yes.

How so?

What God? There is no evidence for a God.
 
Circular reasoning, at it's finest.

It’s not circular reasoning at all. It’s linear reasoning. The evidence in the fossil record showing the progression from simplest life form to the most complex, being us. The brain is a part of the body, like an ear or a lung or a leg. There is no evidence that any of them developed in any manner other than evolution.
 
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