Should Illegal Invaders be counted in the census?

[BabaVoss]

Why should the public reward Democrats for having a former (and senile) president look the other way while millions of illegal aliens are permitted to sneak into our country and plague our cities with crime and increased social costs funded by taxpayer dollars?

A census manipulated for political purposes would be a fake census.

Like trump's fake tan.

 

[jaypatriot]

A census manipulated for political purposes would be a fake census.

Like trump's fake tan.

You're right. Trump's tan is a weird image to be sure.
And counting millions of illegal aliens in a national census would skew the representation in favor of Democrats with the assumption those illegal aliens would eventually vote Democrat. Not a bad assumption.
Why give more Congressional representation to blue states with huge urban populations?

 

[Eriech]

Would sanctuary juristictions be sanctuaries if foreign nationals were not counted for apportionment ?

 

[BabaVoss]

You're right. Trump's tan is a weird image to be sure.
And counting millions of illegal aliens in a national census would skew the representation in favor of Democrats with the assumption those illegal aliens would eventually vote Democrat. Not a bad assumption.
Why give more Congressional representation to blue states with huge urban populations?

Non citizens cannot vote, so your argument is senseless.
The census counts all persons, whether you like them or not.
Have you read the Constitution we are supposed to live by?

 

[jaypatriot]

Non citizens cannot vote, so your argument is senseless.
The census counts all persons, whether you like them or not.
Have you read the Constitution we are supposed to live by?

There are a number of states that allow non-citizens to vote in local elections.
If you don't know that now, you should read about it to avoid showing ignorance of that fact. The national census does not and SHOULD NOT count all residents in the country.

Laws permitting noncitizens to vote in the United States

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[VySky]

Yes. That’s in the Constitution.

Unless we are just going to abandon that, as Trump wants.

No it’s not. See above.

 

[JMR]

The census is used for many purposes, and as other posters have pointed out noncitizens can't vote in federal elections. They do use hospitals, schools, public transport, and other services where it is necessary to calculate likely need.

This is just another of those red meat issues that MAGA loves to feed on...counting on the stupidity of others to believe in it.

 

[coyote505]

Yes, the point of the census is to accurately count the people here, not to editorialize on whether or not they should be here.

Depends on the purpose of the counting. Texans living and working in NM keep their TX plates and tell the census they are still Texans, but consume public services in NM. Who should get their apportioned Fed $?

 

[GIJane]

Non citizens cannot vote, so your argument is senseless.
The census counts all persons, whether you like them or not.
Have you read the Constitution we are supposed to live by?l

You are right non-citizens can't vote. HOWEVER congressional districts are based on census and illegal immigrants ARE counted, therefor possibly skewing districts. Especially a 10+ million influx of illegals.

 

[BabaVoss]

You are right non-citizens can't vote. HOWEVER congressional districts are based on census and illegal immigrants ARE counted, therefor possibly skewing districts. Especially a 10+ million influx of illegals.

Skewing? No. That is EXACTLY what the Constitution calls for - an accurate count of PERSONS living here.
All persons get counted - even if you don't like them.
Even if trump doesn't like them.
A count that doesn't count all persons would be a fake census.
Unless you are suggesting that we get rid of the Constitution?

 

[cpwill]

Yes, the point of the census is to accurately count the people here, not to editorialize on whether or not they should be here.

Yes. But we should amend the Constitution to no longer apportionment political representation to non citizens.

 

[bomberfox]

Thd constitution requires it so yeah. Do i think people here legally should be counted towards representation? No. Interestingly no national election has been impacted by illegal immigration to the point that removing them would change the outcome. There would be just a few changes in the totals of representation in certain states.

 

[BabaVoss]

Yes. But we should amend the Constitution to no longer apportionment political representation to non citizens.

Sure. Go for it.

 

[j brown's body]

Should Illegal Invaders be counted in the census?
. There's at least 12.5 million that have invaded under Biden's No Border Policy.
. Counting them effects Congressional Seat distribution.

While we all would appreciate your ignoring them, not counting them doesn’t make them go away.

 

[j brown's body]

Yes. But we should amend the Constitution to no longer apportionment political representation to non citizens.

You guys reallllly hate democracy, doncha?

 

[The Brad Dad]

Yes. But we should amend the Constitution to no longer apportionment political representation to non citizens.

Sure. If you want an amendment, go for it. Anything else would be illegal.

 

[cpwill]

You guys reallllly hate democracy, doncha?

I am a big fan of classically liberal representative government. We decided to apportionment based on "persons" to give more representatives to the Slave States.

Why do you support a system that rewards states for seeking to maximize exploited populaces?

.

 

[mrjurrs]

Before I answer...

Were your ancestors illegal invaders or immigrants?

 

[mrjurrs]

I am a big fan of classically liberal representative government. We decided to apportionment based on "persons" to give more representatives to the Slave States.

Why do you support a system that rewards states for seeking to maximize exploited populaces?

.

And why would you deny representation to exploited populaces?

 

[The Brad Dad]

I am a big fan of classically liberal representative government. We decided to apportionment based on "persons" to give more representatives to the Slave States.

Why do you support a system that rewards states for seeking to maximize exploited populaces?

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So undocumented workers are slaves now? Is that why when we kidnap them off the streets we send them to gulags in foreign countries?

 

[cpwill]

And why would you deny representation to exploited populaces?

I don't think we should seek to have exploited populations. In the meantime, our system should represent citizens.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I don't think we should seek to have exploited populations. In the meantime, our system should represent citizens.

Too bad the founders got that one wrong, I guess.

 

[mrjurrs]

I don't think we should seek to have exploited populations. In the meantime, our system should represent citizens.

It already does. Amend the Constitution if you want to remove their representation. Next you can move on to 18-21 year olds, native Americans, women and finally black males.

 

[Nickyjo]

Should Illegal Invaders be counted in the census?
. There's at least 12.5 million that have invaded under Biden's No Border Policy.
. Counting them effects Congressional Seat distribution.

Sigh. First, Biden didn’t have a “No Border Policy.” Second, unlike Trump, Biden appeared to honor US treaty commitments and US law regarding asylum. Third, Trump’s ICA did much the same thing, screening in people to apply for asylum, which I observed first hand in El Paso in 2018. Fourth, if you don’t like the “invaders” strap on a leaf blower, go pick crops, or tell your reps to jail those who hire the invaders.

 

[Linc]

Why should the public reward Democrats for having a former (and senile) president look the other way while millions of illegal aliens are permitted to sneak into our country and plague our cities with crime and increased social costs funded by taxpayer dollars?

Former (and senile) potus Reagan looked the other way and gave amnesty to millions who worked on Republican farms, ranches, slaughterhouses, and service industries.

Those Reagan citizens in turn voted for both Bush presidents, but turned away from the GOP in 2006 on with TEA-party hatred directed at them.