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chock. you're welcome. ;-)I know someone who lived there who says that the place is chalk full of nonsense restrictions such as this.
Like some others have said, I'm not a big fan of home schooling either. I think homeschooled kids don't always get the best education,
and I also think they don't learn important social skills.
Well maybe, but both the schools I have been to were like that. So they can't all be that bad. Like I'm not sure I agree with home schooling being illegal, but I think kids get a lot of religious and social prejudice that way. Like if mummy or daddy says that - it has to be right (especially when you are younger,) but you can question what that old poof Mr Humphries says. :mrgreen:
It is amazing to me how people who say they are tolerant are so intolerant.
So because a child can have the same beliefs as the parent (good or bad) this is somehow wrong? God forbid people should pass on what they believe to be right to their children. How dare parents raise their own children when the state can do it! :roll:
I don't see why not as long as they pass the required exams for their state.
It is amazing to me how people who say they are tolerant are so intolerant.
So because a child can have the same beliefs as the parent (good or bad) this is somehow wrong? God forbid people should pass on what they believe to be right to their children. How dare parents raise their own children when the state can do it! :roll:
Leo, you have been fortunate. I mean, your parents even sent you all the way to Australia (or is it the other way round? You're an Aussie studying in England?). But in any case, government schools in the UK can be pretty lousy, especially in London, that's why most parents work hard to send their kids to public schools. I volunteered quite a bit, once I almost cried. Sometimes the teachers are in their early 20's, just graduated from college. Some don't know what they are doing. As for the kids, if they want to go to college, that marks them as bright, as quite a few don't think of college as part of their future.
No. Your inability to read is amazing :
According to a 2001 U.S. Census survey, 33% of homeschooling households cited religion as a factor in their choice. The same study found that 30% felt school had a poor learning environment, 14% objected to what the school teaches, 11% felt their children were not being challenged at school, and 9% cited morality.[20]
According to the U.S. DOE's "Homeschooling in the United States: 2003", 85 percent of homeschooling parents cited "the social environments of other forms of schooling" (including safety, drugs, sexual harassment, bullying and negative peer-pressure) as an important reason why they homeschool. 72 percent cited "to provide religious or moral instruction" as an important reason, and 68 percent cited "dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools."[13] 7 percent cited "Child has physical or mental health problem", 7 percent cited "Child has other special needs", 9 percent cited "Other reasons" (including "child's choice," "allows parents more control of learning" and "flexibility").[13]
Parents were asked which of the reasons they homeschooled was the most important reason. Figure 2 and table 4 show the most important reasons students were being homeschooled in 2003, as reported by parents of homeschooled students. Concern about the environment of other schools and to provide religious or moral instruction were the top two most important reasons cited. About a third of students had parents who cited concern about the environment of other schools as their most important reason for homeschooling (31 percent). Approximately another third of homeschooled students had parents who were homeschooling primarily to provide religious or moral instruction (30 percent). Sixteen percent of homeschooled students had parents whose primary reason for homeschooling was dissatisfaction with the academic instruction available at other schools, making this the third most common primary reason for homeschooling.
It has nothing to do with "primary" factors. Please read. And that number does not drop to anything. One study is by the census the other is by the DoE. One study allows for a single option and once again these options are flawed in the end. If I believe the schooling conditions are poor in schools and I'd do a better job, I don't have to put religion as a factor now do I? It is just another case of Christian smokescreen for true intent.
That's the problem, there are states where it is not required to pass any exams and the only kids who ever bother to take the exams are the ones who are headed to college, which skews the results for home schoolers. When only the best and the brightest get tested, the results are made to look like home schools produce only the best and the brightest.
Well, first off, I have never claimed to be tolerant or intolerant, I'm just giving my opinion, so save your outrage.
I am saying that it is easy for parents to pass their prejudices, religious or otherwise, on to children, and if those children have minimal interaction outside the home, then there is little influence to counter what amounts to indoctrination.
Obviously I am not talking about values like fairness, decency, and tolerance. These are values supported by society in general, and interaction with other elements of society will only reinforce them.
But bigotry, religious intolerance, etc. need to be viewed through the prism of society in general. No one is suggesting the state be given carte blanche to indoctrinate children, just that the sole influence of the home is not always balanced. So interaction with society at large is beneficial to children.
Yes, I guess I am fortunate in the sense that my dad (who died when I was young) left a trust to be used for the sole purpose of my education all the way to university. I am a boarder in Public School in Australia, and I understand that it is an elite school, but I have friends who go to the Australian equivalent of a comprehensive or grammar school, and they are not thugs, and seem quite well educated. I know some government schools can suck, but not all, and there are some selective ones around Sydney that have a very good academic record. I feel sure it would be better for children to be educated at schools like that, than to depend upon a parent who is unlikely to be qualified sufficiently in the entire range of subjects required. And this leaves aside any question of religious indoctrination, or any other prejudice.
Our founders did okay with it.I am not a fan of home-schooling, but illegal? That's just ridiculous.
I know someone who lived there who says that the place is chalk full of nonsense restrictions such as this.
How does homeschooling have different standards than private/public schools? As long as the kids follow legal guidelines for schooling and pass the standardized tests, what difference does it make?
b) Isn't going to waste too much time on bull****, something no public school can say.
So far no proof of any kind has been offered to show why home schooling should be illegal.
Our founders did okay with it.
I've seen some of the type of homeschooling which can occur. Very Jesus Camp like (i.e. the kids are definitely going to grow up ignorant fools). But there's nothing we can really do about it, homeschooling is legal and should remain legal. If you screw up your kids...well your bad. Don't expect me to fix the problem.
Far too often in home schooling situations, that isn't the case.
Now wait a minute. I agree for the most part, but how does having fundamental faith in your religion make you an ignorant fool? Most fundamentalist Christians are good down to earth people. The problem is they get judged by the "Phelps Family" which is an extreme example. I think that is nothing but a blanket statement on your part, as Jesus camp was not THAT bad.
I am a Christian, and I am most certainly not ignorant about the world (or anything else for that matter) just because I am a person of faith.
If you noticed, I said "some of the homeschooling which can occur". It's not stating all, it's stating some. I was saying in spite of that (and it does occur), homeschooling cannot be banned.
observe:
YouTube- Radical Fundamentalist Christian Home-Schooling
Again, some, not all. And despite the ignorance they are professing, I'm saying that homeschooling should remain legal.
Our founders lived a relatively simple lifestyle that didn't require a lot of knowledge. Parents taught kids what they knew, that was it. Today, kids need to know things their parents just aren't equipped to teach, things that most parents just don't know. I don't mind parents teaching their kids, so long as kids are getting the information they need. Far too often in home schooling situations, that isn't the case.
Yes, I guess I am fortunate in the sense that my dad (who died when I was young) left a trust to be used for the sole purpose of my education all the way to university. I am a boarder in Public School in Australia, and I understand that it is an elite school, but I have friends who go to the Australian equivalent of a comprehensive or grammar school, and they are not thugs, and seem quite well educated. I know some government schools can suck, but not all, and there are some selective ones around Sydney that have a very good academic record. I feel sure it would be better for children to be educated at schools like that, than to depend upon a parent who is unlikely to be qualified sufficiently in the entire range of subjects required. And this leaves aside any question of religious indoctrination, or any other prejudice.
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