Should former German Samoa become a Bundesland of the Federal Republic of Germany?

[Rumpelstil]

Should former German Samoa become a Bundesland of the Federal Republic of Germany?

It is only a philosphical and academic question.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Asking people on the internet is irrelevant. The only people that matter are Samoans, and I haven't seen any of them demanding to become part of Germany. I haven't even seen German politicians suggest such a thing.

Seriously dude, how and why do you come up with so many of these pointless threads every day?

 

[Rumpelstil]

There is another academic question:


>>>>>>>>> https://debatepolitics.com/threads/could-or-should-american-samoa-become-a-state-of-the-us.455445/

 

[Rumpelstil]

Germany now has 16 states.
Sometimes it has been jokingly sugessted that Mallorca could count as the 17th state.
That way Samoa could be an 18th state.

 

[Rexedgar]

See post # 2!

 

[TheParser]

YES!

Samoa and many other countries in this world would be much better off if they were under the tutelage of a European nation.

 

[post]

YES!

Samoa and many other countries in this world would be much better off if they were under the tutelage of a European nation.

Sure, but European nations would not be. Germany already had to absorb economic and infrastructure basket case formerly known as East Germany. Why would they want to add a territory of nearly 250,000 with annual per capita income half of American Somoa's $11,000+, a territory with just one city of less than 40,000 pop. IOW, Germany would be absorbing nearly 200,000 rural, acutely impoverished islanders because 120 years ago, Germany held that island region as a territory for just 20 years?

 

[MamboDervish]

Should former German Samoa become a Bundesland of the Federal Republic of Germany?

It is only a philosphical and academic question.

There was a German Samoa ??
Who knew?

 

[Rumpelstil]

There was a German Samoa ??

Yes

Who knew?

Not many.

Maybe some of them on "Samoa Beach" on the island of Sylt in the North Sea.

 

[OrphanSlug]

What do they want to do?

 

[Rumpelstil]

Samoa and many other countries in this world would be much better off if they were under the tutelage of a European nation.

I think so!

 

[Rumpelstil]

YES!

If you say Yes - you may also click for it.

 

[Rumpelstil]

2 out of 7 say:

yes, why not?​

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

YES!

Samoa and many other countries in this world would be much better off if they were under the tutelage of a European nation.

It was wonderful for the people of the Belgian Congo

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I think so!

Would they do better than they did in Namibia?

 

[Rumpelstil]

Samoa: Memories of “The Pearl of the South Seas”

Germans arrived in Samoa in around 1840, when the Hamburg-based Godeffroy company relocated its main Pacific trading base from Valparaiso in Chile to the Samoan capital, Apia. German sailors and merchants settled here, married Samoan women and helped develop the island. A German school, postal agency and consulate were fixtures of everyday life in Apia long before Western Samoa officially became a German colony in 1900.

Samoa was the last colony acquired by the German Reich, and this had a number of very positive effects for the country. Firstly, lessons had been learnt from past mistakes. Above all, however, the Governor, Dr Wilhelm Solf, pursued a cautious, circumspect, paternalistic line in coordination with local advisers. Samoan autonomy in the villages was retained, in some cases even extended. The Samoans were allowed to use the land outside Apia. Samoan, not German, was the first language in schools.

Samoa: Memories of “The Pearl of the South Seas” - culturalheritage.news

Germans arrived in Samoa in around 1840, when the Hamburg-based Godeffroy company relocated its main Pacific trading base from Valparaiso in Chile to the Samoan capital, Apia. German sailors and merchants settled here, married Samoan women and helped develop the island. A German school, postal...

www.culthernews.de

 

[Rumpelstil]

More about Samoan-German relations:

Following the islands’ occupation by New Zealand at the beginning of the First World War, energetic appeals from the Samoan fautua (tribal chief) Tamasese to the New Zealand military administration prevented the planned summary expulsion of Germans. Tamasese succeeded in obtaining permission for German husbands to stay with their Samoan wives, with the result that more than one German-Samoan marriage was concluded at the last minute. Walking through the streets of Apia today, or leafing through the Samoan phone book, one is struck by the many German names: Keil, Kruse, Berking, Retzlaff, Stünzner and many more. None of these Samoan-Germans today speak German, but the word “German” still has a positive ring in Samoan ears. After the Second World War, even though their own country was hardly prosperous, many Samoans with German “relations” sent CARE packages to starving Germans in war-ravaged Europe. Nor was it coincidence that in 1989 Samoa was the first country in the world to issue a special stamp to mark the fall of the Berlin Wall, at the same time recollecting the historical links between the two countries since the 1889 Treaty of Berlin.

Samoa: Memories of “The Pearl of the South Seas” - culturalheritage.news

Germans arrived in Samoa in around 1840, when the Hamburg-based Godeffroy company relocated its main Pacific trading base from Valparaiso in Chile to the Samoan capital, Apia. German sailors and merchants settled here, married Samoan women and helped develop the island. A German school, postal...

www.culthernews.de

 

[TheParser]

It was wonderful for the people of the Belgian Congo

That was the exception to the rule.

The British, for example, taught their colonies about democratic procedures and brought about railroads and roads and dams, etc. They encouraged the various tribes to live together harmoniously.

After the British left, the new leaders were often ghastly, such as Mr. Mugabe.

 

[bomberfox]

That decision belongs to the Samoans. I dont think it would be good to absorb land that is so distant though.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

That was the exception to the rule.

The British, for example, taught their colonies about democratic procedures and brought about railroads and roads and dams, etc. They encouraged the various tribes to live together harmoniously.

After the British left, the new leaders were often ghastly, such as Mr. Mugabe.

The British ethnically cleansed most of their colonies, or enslaved the population South Africa, or starved them in man made famines, Ireland, India. It used a divide and conquer strategy in many areas. Supporting the minority population to rule over the majority. The minority would be dependent on the British to maintain power and as such follow UK demands ( ie Iraq)

Mugabe is nothing compared to the lives the British ruined

 

[TheParser]

The British ethnically cleansed most of their colonies, or enslaved the population South Africa, or starved them in man made famines, Ireland, India. It used a divide and conquer strategy in many areas. Supporting the minority population to rule over the majority. The minority would be dependent on the British to maintain power and as such follow UK demands ( ie Iraq)

Mugabe is nothing compared to the lives the British ruined

There are millions and millions of Africans who are dead today who would be alive today if the European nations had not left so fast after World War II.

The Congo & Rwanda are just two examples.

The dear people in Africa needed more tutoring from their European big brothers and sisters.

(You know, of course, about the dreadful murder of Caucasian farmers occurring in South Africa.)

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Look at the history of the Belgian Congo and the the time when it became independent and tell me that Belgian rule was good. It has been called a genocide by the way

 

[post]

Look at the history of the Belgian Congo and the the time when it became independent and tell me that Belgian rule was good. It has been called a genocide by the way

Isn't the "takeover" of a foreign place by a more technologically leveraged invader, "visitor," or whatever you consider a colonizer to be in the introductory phase of what ends up as an exploitation of "the target" similar to a time traveler inserting himself into the past and interfering to the degree he becomes, say.... his own great grandfather or inadvertently intrudes to such an extent he prevents his own grandmother from crossing paths with his scripted grandfather, or persuades Irgun terrorists that planting explosives in the Hotel David will not result in other than being hunted down and executed?

Busy, busy, greedy, ambitious, ruthless, and anointed by God.:

Hispaniola - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"...Harsh enslavement practiced by Spanish colonists against the Taínos, as well as redirection of food supplies and labor of the indigenous for feeding Spanish settlers, had a devastating impact on both mortality and fertility of the Taíno population over the first quarter century.[29] Colonial administrators and Dominican and Hyeronimite priests observed that the search for gold and agrarian enslavement through the encomienda system were depressing population.[29] Demographic data from two provinces in 1514 shows a low birth rate, consistent with a 3.5% annual population decline. In 1503 the colony began to import African slaves after a charter was passed in 1501 allowing the import of slaves by Ferdinand and Isabel. The Spanish believed Africans would be more capable of performing physical labor. From 1519 to 1533, the indigenous uprising known as Enriquillo's Revolt, after the Taíno cacique who led them, ensued, resulting from escaped African slaves on the island (maroons) possibly working with the Taíno people.[30].."

 

[Felis Leo]

Should former German Samoa become a Bundesland of the Federal Republic of Germany?

It is only a philosphical and academic question.

Are the citizens of the former German colony of Samoa considered German Nationals or German Citizens like the Citizens of American Samoa are American Nationals?

 

[Rumpelstil]

Are the citizens of the former German colony of Samoa considered German Nationals or German Citizens like the Citizens of American Samoa are American Nationals?

Of course not - and I think you know that.
But that is not the question.

This topic here has to be taken with a pinch of salt, of course.
"Cum grano salis" - as the Romans say.
Not dead-serious.