It's excusable for your wife to be a liberal. She's a woman. For a grown man to be a liberal, however, is absolutely pathetic. I can understand if you're some teenage pothead with no concept of how the world works, but when you grow up and put man pants on its time to earn your own money and tell the government that you can take care of yourself.
It's excusable for your wife to be a liberal. She's a woman. For a grown man to be a liberal, however, is absolutely pathetic. I can understand if you're some teenage pothead with no concept of how the world works, but when you grow up and put man pants on its time to earn your own money and tell the government that you can take care of yourself.
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If 95 white people and 4 black people took a written test, say a test to get into college, and all four black people plus "a few" of the white people failed it, would that prove that all black people are unsuited for higher education?
Would it be reasonable or fair to assume that "if ten black people had taken the test, all ten would've failed it"?
Just don't make such sweeping generalizations. I know loons and fine people on both sides even though I tend to be more conservative.
Silly, my wife (Kelzie) is a liberal and she is a loon. Embrace the loon in your wife, dude. She keeps me honest. Otherwise I would storm a beach somewhere and set up a right winged dictatorship.
Silly, my wife (Kelzie) is a liberal and she is a loon. Embrace the loon in your wife, dude. She keeps me honest. Otherwise I would storm a beach somewhere and set up a right winged dictatorship.
Absolutely. Now, more often than not, the male ego is at stake and the "He-Man-Woman-Hater-Club" or argument of "tradition" is in effect. However, the truth is that some women are absolutely tough enough to be 0300s. They are few, but they do exist.
I believe the Marine Corps made a mistake in 1997(?) Before this, women went from Boot Camp to their MOS schools and followed up with basic infantry training once they got to the fleet. Then came a much needed breakthrough. The Commandant instructed Training Command (TECOM) to make room for the women. In 1997 (or '96), the first female Marines graduated Boot Camp and went to Marine Combat Training (MCT) and then went to MOS school just like the men. However, this is where they made a mistake. The women were thrown in with the men and the training quickly became less intensive to accomodate the abilities of the women. (18 mile hikes became 12 mile hikes, run paces slowed, etc.) By the end of the year, the women were seperated out into their own training commands along side the men, so that they could receive training in accordance to their abilities and the men could get back on track.
The dark side of this is that this is now used to "prove" that women can't do it. But this is a general mood. There are plenty who believe that if a woman truley wishes to live the life of the infantry, then she should be able to at least take some sort of indoc to prove capabilities. This, of course, couldn't be something where she could work towards taking, because there must be a natural baseline ability present. The reason is because the rigors of being in the infantry don't stop and there must be a base line of strength and endurance.
But there would be other considerations. Logistics would be tough. The infantry is not constructed for "coed." We watch Battlestar Galactica or Starship Troopers or Aliens or movies of the like where men and women dress together in locker rooms, but this isn't practical in our society.
I believe it is do-able. But ultimately, its our politicians that have to approve of something like this. Combat training is one thing. Sending women on patrols where enemy is imminent is another. I don't think America is ready to stomach dead American women on CNN.
Absolutely welcome.
Although technically IAF, my entire military service upon graduation was spent embedded with IDF combat forces. I accompanied them into active battle three times. Gaza x 2, and most recently Lebanon. Advancing the notion that being embedded entitles one to some sort of silver-spoon treatment is the height of ignorance. I can assure you, every trial and tribulation in IDF combat units is equally distributed.That's right. There's a huge difference between being embedded with a combat unit and being an actual combat soldier.
Thanks so much for the really informing us on this question of women in the infantry. It is great that someone with your actuall experience has taken the time to infom us on on this subject. We couldn't ask for anyone more able to teach us here on the subject and as far as I'm concerned we will not get any more informed than this. I'm really happy you posted to this question.
It should be based on performance, not gender; If a woman could do the job better than a man then let's do it.
Thanks so much for the really informing us on this question of women in the infantry. It is great that someone with your actuall experience has taken the time to infom us on on this subject. We couldn't ask for anyone more able to teach us here on the subject and as far as I'm concerned we will not get any more informed than this. I'm really happy you posted to this question.
First of all I being a woman really did want to be informed on this subject It only takes a little resoning on anyones part to realize women are not physically fit to do the job of a grunt as some stated. The problem I had was their might me a few women that could do it and that they should be able to at least try . Just because I knew the majority of women couldn't do it didn't make it fair that the few women who could do it couldn't get a fair chance to prove it one way or the other.
I like you idea that maybe their could be a special indoc for women who met the standards to be grunts. I"m really happy that you would be willing to give them a chance. most women cannot do the physical parts of being a grunt because nature has made them smaller and with less muscle mass but their are a few women that does not apply but like you said probably only a few.
It is so nice to know that someone in charge of women and men in the military has such a open mind and a willingness to give women the same chance as a man. I know men can incourage women to do thier best and you are one of those people..
I'm glad that women get to prove themselves one way or the other. Doesn't matter to me as long as they get the chance. It's nice to know that our kids both male and female in the military have someone like you to lead them.
Thank you so much for all you have sacrificed to be in the military. I for one am a grateful citizen. Thanks
If 95 white people and 4 black people took a written test, say a test to get into college, and all four black people plus "a few" of the white people failed it, would that prove that all black people are unsuited for higher education?
Would it be reasonable or fair to assume that "if ten black people had taken the test, all ten would've failed it"?
Although technically IAF, my entire military service upon graduation was spent embedded with IDF combat forces. I accompanied them into active battle three times. Gaza x 2, and most recently Lebanon. Advancing the notion that being embedded entitles one to some sort of silver-spoon treatment is the height of ignorance. I can assure you, every trial and tribulation in IDF combat units is equally distributed.
Jesus Christ! You've had people who served as infantry telling you the same thing as Gunny the whole time! Why is his opinion all of sudden so super great to you?
Not the same thing at all. You are attempting to compare mental strength to physical strength while mixing some racial garbage within. What I wrote, if you cared to put the "Spice Girl" baton down, was that only a very few would be able to handle the rigors of infantry life. I even offerred up an idea to allow women to be in the infantry.
What you are purposefully failing to acknowledge is that I speak from experience. Ever gone on the "Slide for Life" or any other obstacle on the Confidence Course? Or ran through the Marine Obstacle Course? They can be serious gut checks for some. The vast majority of women simply cannot do it. And if they cannot do it, then how in hell would they be able to be in the infantry?
Only the very few would be able to do it.
You can't beat fairness, expererince , intelligence, judgement and most of all objectivity.
To me Gunny did not have a preconcieved idea of what a women could or couldn't do and was willing to give them a chance even after a 100% failure on the women's part.
It wasn't that I didn't beleive the people in the infantry in fact they actually made me realize it was impossible for just about every woman to do the job but being in the infantry isn't the same as actually training women to be in the infantry and being objective and fair in making your judgement of what a woman could and couldn't do . I believe Gunny is and was willing to give women a chance and most of the people here were not.
Funny if you go back and read my posts I said exactly the same thing. :roll:
My MOS is listed in The Veterans social group. M4 and Glock-21. Twice decorated. Depending on circumstance and/or necessity, my weapons platform can be either offensive or defensive in nature. I would rather not divulge the carnage I inflicted upon the enemy. Let's just say it was rather extensive. One confirmed kill in Lebanon with my sidearm.Did you carry a weapon? Engage the enemy? Carry the same battle kit as everyone else? How many confirmed kills did you score? What was your MOS and why were you detailed to that unit?
And what has become of the biggest baddest dude on the DP block? Mr. G.I. Joe? Well now, it seems that he somehow managed to get his brilliant self suspended. And then lo and behold, he created himself a sock-puppet to circumvent the brig. My oh my. Now he's Gone Indefinitely Joe.Well lookit you Mr. G.I. Joe. If you ain't the biggest baddest dude on the DP block! Even got yerself a username and crappy avatar to puff your bad stuff. My oh my. But it's been my experience that those who need to publicly flex usually know the least.
My MOS is listed in The Veterans social group. M4 and Glock-21. Twice decorated. Depending on circumstance and/or necessity, my weapons platform can be either offensive or defensive in nature. I would rather not divulge the carnage I inflicted upon the enemy. Let's just say it was rather extensive. One confirmed kill in Lebanon with my sidearm.
Good for you!:lol:
I have no problem with it. I killed a Hizb'Allah militiaman who had taken some shots at us and then fled on foot to a nearby deserted villa. I knew he was wounded due to a blood trail on the ground. Inside the villa, he was sitting on the floor about 3.5 meters in front of me. Blood was seeping from a leg wound. He started to swing his AK up at me. I fired my Glock twice from the doorway. The first round hit him in the neck, the second round tore into his upper torso.Interesting. To kill with a side-arm one generally needs to be up close. Thus this was likely a house raid, unless of course you were in a position that was overrun by the enemy. Is that correct? I understand if you wont/ cant say.
It just shows what a hypocrite you are, among other things. And that is putting it nicely.
Glock?I have no problem with it. I killed a Hizb'Allah militiaman who had taken some shots at us and then fled on foot to a nearby deserted villa. I knew he was wounded due to a blood trail on the ground. Inside the villa, he was sitting on the floor about 3.5 meters in front of me. Blood was seeping from a leg wound. He started to swing his AK up at me. I fired my Glock twice from the doorway. The first round hit him in the neck, the second round tore into his upper torso.
Actually it shows that you are looking for a argument and couldn't get one out of me so your mad.Keep trying though it makes my day.:lol:
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