Should Evolution Be Taught In Schools?

[-Demosthenes-]

I see that I've confused you. Good, I have achieved my goal!

You're just giving up now.

And it is my RIGHT as an AMERICAN to say what ever the HELL I WANT!!!

If you want to make stuff up and spout it out on a forum for everyone to read then fine, just know it annoys the rest of normal society.

If I want to say that little green and orange space slugs abducted George Clooney and made him eat rotten spinach for 3 years and 4 days, then I will.

Yep, really annoying.

Then that would make 3 Billion (just a guess) other ppl retarded.

Alright, most of you're posts have consisted of guesses. Dude, start using facts.

There is nothing wrong with religion, only the radicals who misinterpret it. I just wish that ppl would stop calling religion "retarded".

No one did, we called you retarded.

 

[MrFungus420]

Actually, many Theologians have come to the conclusion that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity aren't all that different. All 3 refer to Abraham for one thing, and the definitions of God's nature are quite similar. The Tora and the Old Testament are exactly the same thing. Christianity is just a spin off of Judaism (Jesus was actually Jewish; Christianty is just Jews that actually believe that Jesus IS the Messiah). The Koran speaks of creation happening almost the same way as it was told in the Bible/Tora. Jesus and John the Baptist are also mentioned in the Koran.

They do have some similarities. The most important similarity is that each of the three religions believe that they, and only they, are correct. If you don't follow their faith, you are wrong and doomed for all eternity.

Ok, I'll give you the point that God can't be scientifically prooven right now, and probably never will be. But the Bible, Tora, and Koran are excellent historical texts and great tools for philosophy.

They are not really very good historical texts. They are placed against a backdrop that has some historical accuracy, but no more so that many other written works. Gone With the Wind, The Illiad and virtually anything by Shakespeare have at least as much historical accuracy, but nobody claims that they are accurate.

If you and others just forget about what the religious radicals say about these 3 books and just look at them for what they were made for. You'd understand that the Bible, Tora, and Koran are actually good teaching guides on how to live a good life. One doesn't have to believe the spiritual parts of it, but like Proverbs, it's more about common sense than actual spiritual law.

Unfortunately, they weren't made to be just guides on how to live a good life, they were made to tell people what to believe. Even as guides of how to live a good life, they fall far short of the mark. They are all filled with intolerance of people who are different, or have differing beliefs.

And if all people did was look at Jesus the Man, and not Jesus the Deity (For those that don't want to believe in the spiritual part of it), Jesus was actually a very great teacher and probably went along the line of greatness like Ghandi.

Except that the evidence that Jesus actually existed is controversial, at best.

There is nothing wrong with religion, only the radicals who misinterpret it. I just wish that ppl would stop calling religion "retarded".

Religion has kept people in ignorance, and still strives to do so. All religions are equally valid, or invalid, yet almost all claim to be the one and only absolute truth.

You say there is nothing wrong with religion. Are you forgetting the constant warfare, murder and bloodshed that has been done in the name of religion? And, before you say that was all done by the radicals ro the zealots, the holy books of Christianity, Judaism and Islam all have specifics about behaviour that can only be refered to as atrocities.

 

[TimmyBoy]

I believe it should. It would be nice to learn where we originated or evolved from.

The seperation of church and state must be maintained. The teaching of evolution is consistent with our constitution and the law. Any attempts to prevent the teaching of evolution, I believe, would threaten the seperation of church and state. Religion or any teachings of religion, has no place in public schools, because if it is present in public schools, it would be state sanctioning of a church or religious teaching.

 

[Donkey1499]

I don't know a SINGLE Jew that believes in 'creationism'. And if a muslim does, that only proves that they are just as UNEDUCATED as the christians that do. You forget that this superstitious stuff is very seductive. People like easy and superstitious explanations so that they can feel like they are smart when they've been just sleeping their whole lives.

So don't blame ME that you simply are not as intelligent as I. Blame your freakin' PARENTS, or your SCHOOL.

I can blame your education for filling your head with hatred of religion. NO ONE SAID YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IT. SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SPREAD HATE ABOUT RELIGION? AND WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE MY MENTAL INTEGRETY? AND THE TORA AND THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THING. SO ANY JEW IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BELIEVE THAT GOD "CREATED" THEM. AND THE BIBLE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE SEWER. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD STEP ON IT.

 

[Donkey1499]

You're just giving up now.

If you want to make stuff up and spout it out on a forum for everyone to read then fine, just know it annoys the rest of normal society.

Yep, really annoying.

Alright, most of you're posts have consisted of guesses. Dude, start using facts.

No one did, we called you retarded.

Contorting my screen name just proves that YOU are ignorant.

Who are you to say what is normal? Normality is just a state of mind; or like the old saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

Actually, Sissy Boy uses similar terms as "retarded" to describe religion. So your comment is false.

 

[Donkey1499]

They do have some similarities. The most important similarity is that each of the three religions believe that they, and only they, are correct. If you don't follow their faith, you are wrong and doomed for all eternity.



They are not really very good historical texts. They are placed against a backdrop that has some historical accuracy, but no more so that many other written works. Gone With the Wind, The Illiad and virtually anything by Shakespeare have at least as much historical accuracy, but nobody claims that they are accurate.



Unfortunately, they weren't made to be just guides on how to live a good life, they were made to tell people what to believe. Even as guides of how to live a good life, they fall far short of the mark. They are all filled with intolerance of people who are different, or have differing beliefs.



Except that the evidence that Jesus actually existed is controversial, at best.



Religion has kept people in ignorance, and still strives to do so. All religions are equally valid, or invalid, yet almost all claim to be the one and only absolute truth.

You say there is nothing wrong with religion. Are you forgetting the constant warfare, murder and bloodshed that has been done in the name of religion? And, before you say that was all done by the radicals ro the zealots, the holy books of Christianity, Judaism and Islam all have specifics about behaviour that can only be refered to as atrocities.

Tisk tisk tisk. I thought you were one of the smart ones on here. Those 3 books don't make anyone believe anything! Once again I have to explain that everyone has free will, or the ability to think for themselves. Just because one reads the Bible, it doesn't mean he/she has to believe it is true. Once again, I have to bring up the question, "If someone told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?" Probably not, because even if someone tells you to do something it doesn't mean that you have to do it. Everyone has the ability to think for themselves and make their own decisions.

And there is NOTHING wrong with religion. There is only SOMETHING wrong with those who misinterpret or contort its real meaning.

 

[MrFungus420]

Tisk tisk tisk. I thought you were one of the smart ones on here. Those 3 books don't make anyone believe anything!

I didn't say that the books make someone believe. I made two seperate statements. One was that each of the religions believes that only that religion is correct. Then I pointed out that the books were not made just to be guides to a good life, but they were made to tell people what to believe. I never said that the books make anyone believe. If they did, I'd be at least tri-religious...

Once again I have to explain that everyone has free will, or the ability to think for themselves. Just because one reads the Bible, it doesn't mean he/she has to believe it is true. Once again, I have to bring up the question, "If someone told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?" Probably not, because even if someone tells you to do something it doesn't mean that you have to do it. Everyone has the ability to think for themselves and make their own decisions.

And there is NOTHING wrong with religion. There is only SOMETHING wrong with those who misinterpret or contort its real meaning.

Here, I disagree. I don't think that all of the atrocities perpetrated in the name of religion, or God, are due to any misinterpretation or contortion of the meaning. The violence and intolerance are intrinsic to belief. It is my opinion that the modern views of tolerance in religion are the views that are doing the misinterpreting .

 

[Donkey1499]

God doesn't need to be proven with fact. He is only proven through 'belief'; as in, do you believe in Him or not. Now, I'm not one of those wacko Christians that goes up to someone and says, "You're going to Hell if you don't believe!" I'm not like that. Nor am I "perfect", cuz no one is. We all sin and we all make mistakes. So when some one says, "If you sin, you're gonna go to Hell!" They're just being stupid and take what's written in the Bible out of context. (If you believe this) Jesus died for EVERYONE'S sins. And Revelations says that at the end of days, all souls will be judged. So everyone will be given one last chance to repent, or whatever.

But this is only if you believe it. I was an Atheist once. But then I got to thinking about what happens when we die? Do we go to Heaven? Are we reincarnated? Or do we just cease to exist? And if we cease to exist, then everything that we have accomplished on Earth was for nothing. NOTHING!

So, I went back to just "studying" religion. I did all the research that I could do online and at the library. I finally came up with some opinions and alot of the stuff I read up on made sense (at least to me anyways). So then I became a Christian again, of which I was happier when I was a Christian anyways.

 

[tecoyah]

I believe that, upon examination of the evidence, this source can be demonstrated to be the God of the Bible, the Creator and Sustainer of all life as well as the one who gives it meaning, purpose, and hope. In fact the Bible, God’s revelation of Himself to humankind, can be proven to be Divine rather than human in origin through a careful examination of manuscript evidence, historical and archaeological evidence, predictive prophecy, and its repository of life-changing wisdom. A further examination of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ also reveals Him to be just who He claimed to be, God cloaked in human flesh.

Ok...hopefully this slips in before Donkey posts another novel written by someone else. As I intend to place the inevitable nutshell around what has been written extensively above....mind you this is but MY interpretation of the information, and intent:

Massive Data to make one appear informed about the basic scientific understanding of the Cosmos, and intersperced opinion of the selected research, meant to bolster an acceptance of some entity guiding the creation of all that is. Everything I have read here seems relatively sound in the theories and interpretations for the most part. I cannot find however, ANY basis for an outside creator deciding to make it happen. And furthermore, there is logically, no possible way for you to factually reveal this "Hand of God".

There is simply no scientific Data. Anywhere, that confirms or Denies the existance of a God.....Period.

 

[sissy-boy]

The seperation of church and state must be maintained. The teaching of evolution is consistent with our constitution and the law. Any attempts to prevent the teaching of evolution, I believe, would threaten the seperation of church and state. Religion or any teachings of religion, has no place in public schools, because if it is present in public schools, it would be state sanctioning of a church or religious teaching.

THANK YOU!! That is exactly what these idiots are proposing. They are SO INSECURE in their own faith that they feel the need to have it TAUGHT to those that don't want it, can see right through it, and have every right to object to it and define it for what it is: BLIND CONFORMIST mind control!

 

[George_Washington]

THANK YOU!! That is exactly what these idiots are proposing. They are SO INSECURE in their own faith that they feel the need to have it TAUGHT to those that don't want it, can see right through it, and have every right to object to it and define it for what it is: BLIND CONFORMIST mind control!

But um, aren't you proposing the same thing? Aren't you expecting the whole population to, "blindly conform" to accepting the homosexual lifestyle, gay marriage, etc. ? Just wondering.

 

[sissy-boy]

I can blame your education for filling your head with hatred of religion. NO ONE SAID YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IT. SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SPREAD HATE ABOUT RELIGION? AND WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE MY MENTAL INTEGRETY? AND THE TORA AND THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THING. SO ANY JEW IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BELIEVE THAT GOD "CREATED" THEM. AND THE BIBLE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE SEWER. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD STEP ON IT.

Sorry if that is offensive, it is just my own educated opinion based on my own studies of these monotheistic belief systems. And I DON'T believe it and I don't care if people do, but I DO care when they try to sneak this garbage in to our schools and government. Ridiculous ideas like 'prayer in school' and 'intelligent design "theory" are just further evidence of how INSECURE people are in their own faith, that they feel the need to push it on those who don't want it, can see right through it and have every right to object to it.

I also believe that ALL of the texts from the 3 books are almost exactly the same, not just the OT. And just as Islam is becoming synonymous with terrorism, Christianity ALWAYS has. The only truly TYPICAL attributes that these 3 belief systems share is their INJUSTICES towards others. Why do you think they are FOREVER at war?? This is the nature of the Patriarchy.

"War is only menstrual envy" -- Lydia Lunch

 

[sissy-boy]

But um, aren't you proposing the same thing? Aren't you expecting the whole population to, "blindly conform" to accepting the homosexual lifestyle, gay marriage, etc. ? Just wondering.

FAR from it. My motto is LIVE and LET LIVE. I could CARE LESS if someone accepts homosexuality, but they WILL TOLERATE it. BIG DIFFERENCE, LEARN it.

 

[George_Washington]

Sorry if that is offensive, it is just my own educated opinion based on my own studies of these monotheistic belief systems. And I DON'T believe it and I don't care if people do, but I DO care when they try to sneak this garbage in to our schools and government. Ridiculous ideas like 'prayer in school' and 'intelligent design "theory" are just further evidence of how INSECURE people are in their own faith, that they feel the need to push it on those who don't want it, can see right through it and have every right to object to it.

I also believe that ALL of the texts from the 3 books are almost exactly the same, not just the OT. And just as Islam is becoming synonymous with terrorism, Christianity ALWAYS has. The only truly TYPICAL attributes that these 3 belief systems share is their INJUSTICES towards others. Why do you think they are FOREVER at war?? This is the nature of the Patriarchy.

"War is only menstrual envy" -- Lydia Lunch

Christianity has always been associated with terrorism? LOL! Ever read a history book? The most deadly, viscious murder of the 20th century was Joseph Stalin and he was an atheist, not a Christian. Then there was Hitler and then Castro and then the government of China. None of these people were/are Christian. You just hate Christians it seems like.

 

[sissy-boy]

Ok...hopefully this slips in before Donkey posts another novel written by someone else. As I intend to place the inevitable nutshell around what has been written extensively above....mind you this is but MY interpretation of the information, and intent:

Massive Data to make one appear informed about the basic scientific understanding of the Cosmos, and intersperced opinion of the selected research, meant to bolster an acceptance of some entity guiding the creation of all that is. Everything I have read here seems relatively sound in the theories and interpretations for the most part. I cannot find however, ANY basis for an outside creator deciding to make it happen. And furthermore, there is logically, no possible way for you to factually reveal this "Hand of God".

There is simply no scientific Data. Anywhere, that confirms or Denies the existance of a God.....Period.

THAT is about as RATIONAL as it can be said, yet 'believers' will argue this point till they're blue in the face when they don't even have material to presuppose with! It is truly INSANE by definition -- saying the SAME thing, over and over expecting different results from different people. The only thing that continues to remain the same is the IRRATIONALITY of the THEISTIC perspective.

 

[sissy-boy]

Christianity has always been associated with terrorism? LOL! Ever read a history book? The most deadly, viscious murder of the 20th century was Joseph Stalin and he was an atheist, not a Christian. Then there was Hitler and then Castro and then the government of China. None of these people were/are Christian. You just hate Christians it seems like.

Hitler WAS a Christian. And there is NO amount of killing in the world wars, even by STALIN that can compare with the killing that the early Christians brought to the world during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

Why do you think that the Catholic Church offers reparations to holocaust survivors? They admittedly have bloody hands, just as Hitler did when he shook their hands and did business with them as a faithful Catholic.

Jesus -- READ a history book!

 

[sissy-boy]

And there is NOTHING wrong with religion. There is only SOMETHING wrong with those who misinterpret or contort its real meaning.

But that is EXACTLY what is wrong with religion. Everyone ALWAYS interprets it the way they want to. And it's 'real meaning' is what EVERYONE percieves THEIR interpretation. You can't see the forest for the trees. To me nothing could be more rationally apparent than that idea.

 

[Donkey1499]

Ok...hopefully this slips in before Donkey posts another novel written by someone else. As I intend to place the inevitable nutshell around what has been written extensively above....mind you this is but MY interpretation of the information, and intent:

Massive Data to make one appear informed about the basic scientific understanding of the Cosmos, and intersperced opinion of the selected research, meant to bolster an acceptance of some entity guiding the creation of all that is. Everything I have read here seems relatively sound in the theories and interpretations for the most part. I cannot find however, ANY basis for an outside creator deciding to make it happen. And furthermore, there is logically, no possible way for you to factually reveal this "Hand of God".

There is simply no scientific Data. Anywhere, that confirms or Denies the existance of a God.....Period.

I won't be post anymore "novels" on here because all of the other info I found pretty much says the same thing.

And I'll agree that God can't be proven scientifically. I'll just leave it as that God is only a belief; it's up to the individual to decide if it's real or not.

 

[Donkey1499]

THANK YOU!! That is exactly what these idiots are proposing. They are SO INSECURE in their own faith that they feel the need to have it TAUGHT to those that don't want it, can see right through it, and have every right to object to it and define it for what it is: BLIND CONFORMIST mind control!

I'm not insecure about it. And quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn if Intelligent Design was taught in school. And if it is taught in school, teach it in a class that isn't required to graduate (like cosmotology or architecual Design).

 

[Donkey1499]

FAR from it. My motto is LIVE and LET LIVE. I could CARE LESS if someone accepts homosexuality, but they WILL TOLERATE it. BIG DIFFERENCE, LEARN it.

How dare you TELL ppl what to tolerate! You're no better than the books you hate. :roll:

 

[Donkey1499]

But that is EXACTLY what is wrong with religion. Everyone ALWAYS interprets it the way they want to. And it's 'real meaning' is what EVERYONE percieves THEIR interpretation. You can't see the forest for the trees. To me nothing could be more rationally apparent than that idea.

Then prosecute the radicals and leave the regular ones alone. Not all Christians/Jews/Muslims are as bad as you're making them sound.

 

[sissy-boy]

I won't be post anymore "novels" on here because all of the other info I found pretty much says the same thing.

And I'll agree that God can't be proven scientifically. I'll just leave it as that God is only a belief; it's up to the individual to decide if it's real or not.

But just because a person BELIEVES in God, does not make it so. We can believe in the tooth fairy but that doesn't make it real. It is our FAITH that makes it real, which is why GOD can be ANYTHING that a person can dream up. And it was Mark Twain who said: "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." Of course faith is much stronger than that because the human mind is capable of many astounding things -- and it can cure ANY ailment and really is capable of all that we can dream.

So all I am saying is that if someone is truly SECURE in their faith, the EXISTENCE of God does not matter, because God is only the extension of our own brains interconnected. If people could just get OVER this Superstitious stuff that holds us back and away from ego, we could learn how to think and feel as one and REALLY go places -- really evolve!

:smile:

 

[George_Washington]

Hitler WAS a Christian. And there is NO amount of killing in the world wars, even by STALIN that can compare with the killing that the early Christians brought to the world during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

Why do you think that the Catholic Church offers reparations to holocaust survivors? They admittedly have bloody hands, just as Hitler did when he shook their hands and did business with them as a faithful Catholic.

Jesus -- READ a history book!

That's all a load of bull. I have read many books. History books record that Stalin killed far more people than the Crusades or the Inquisition. At least to the best of my knowledge. And Hitler was NOT a Christian-read the book, "Hitler" by Joachim C. Fest. In that book Mr. Fest asserts that Hitler was a nihilist and lists times where him and the NSDAP fought with the Catholic Church. Hitler was a firm believer in Darwinism, which most Christians at that time didn't accept. Hitler also bashed the Bible and the role the Jews played in it. Henrich Himmler was into the old Norse Gods. I'll give you one good historical fact to think about-when the Nazis invaded France, they tore down Christian crosses. So obviously they weren't Christian.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

Contorting my screen name just proves that YOU are ignorant.

It proves no such thing, it may prove I'm mean or frustrated with an idiot, but no more.

Who are you to say what is normal? Normality is just a state of mind; or like the old saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

The majority is normal, and we work it from there buddy.

FAR from it. My motto is LIVE and LET LIVE. I could CARE LESS if someone accepts homosexuality, but they WILL TOLERATE it. BIG DIFFERENCE, LEARN it.

Interesting contradicting logic through out your posts.

Hitler WAS a Christian. And there is NO amount of killing in the world wars, even by STALIN that can compare with the killing that the early Christians brought to the world during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

Why do you think that the Catholic Church offers reparations to holocaust survivors? They admittedly have bloody hands, just as Hitler did when he shook their hands and did business with them as a faithful Catholic.

Catholic church?
1) Hitler was not catholic, in fact he believed in a type of Darwinism, and that's how he justified killing non-arians.

2) You're an idiot, you make those of us who understand evolution look bad. If you would argue for the other side it would probably help us.

And I'll agree that God can't be proven scientifically. I'll just leave it as that God is only a belief; it's up to the individual to decide if it's real or not.

Donkey's growing up.

 

[Donkey1499]

It proves no such thing, it may prove I'm mean or frustrated with an idiot, but no more.

The majority is normal, and we work it from there buddy.

Still going back to the childish games of name calling I can see.

There is no normality. No one can say "I'm normal, but that guy over there isn't," because it is one's own opinion. Just because the majority thinks in similar terms, it doesn't mean that the majority is normal.