Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

[NatMorton]

Exactly. You want to give trans people the worst of all possible outcomes because you can't defend your policy positions and need a scapegoat.

No, that is not my aim. I have explained my reasoning, and you simply refuse to speak to it. I'm not surprised as that's how idealogues roll.

Do you have suggestions that would win elections that don't involve punching down on powerless people to distract from your unpopular policies?

Yes, drop the virtue signally, as you're doing here. It makes Democrats look selfish and unserious.

 

[Gatsby]

And Biden was easily the best president since Kennedy.

 

[cpwill]

So if Dems ejected progressives from their coalition, enough disaffected ex-Republicans would fill the void?

If Democrats were wise enough to run people that appealed to a national audience at the national level, people that appealed to the local audience at the local level, and not let the extremes or social media dominate the party messaging, yes, they would do better.

If only we had a recent election to see how well this strategy worked.

2020, I believe it was.

 

[j brown's body]

Im ok with holding off on sports inclusion, we probably went too early for that one. Trans people should be able to transition and respecting that transition can make a world of difference for a trans person, in their overall happiness and well being. There should also be anti discrimination laws in place as well.

Trans girls have played girls sports for years without a problem. How did we go "too early?"

 

[bomberfox]

Trans girls have played girls sports for years without a problem. How did we go "too early?"

For the populace. Im ok with compromising on the sports issue.

 

[Dans La Lune]

No, that is not my aim. I have explained my reasoning, and you simply refuse to speak to it. I'm not surprised as that's how idealogues roll.

Actually, you're the ideologue here. Trans people are happier and more productive members of society, according to all research, if they have access to care. In your world, they are miserable, unemployed, and kill themselves.

I am interested in results, as well as human dignity. You are ideologically committed to demonizing trans than producing positive results for trans.

Go ahead and post the statistics behind your reasoning, and I'll show you mine.

Yes, drop the virtue signally, as you're doing here. It makes Democrats look selfish and unserious.

Um, the right-wing is a Who's Who of unserious reject weirdos. RJK swims in literal shit.

 

[Gatsby]

The Republicans created the anti trans movement. The response to that filthy vicious movement was labled as "too much".

Yeah, because in the span of a decade, Democrats moved from "Adults should be allowed to marry whoever they want" to "Little boys should be able to take puberty blockers if they think they're girls." You're right, it's too much. The fringe left couldn't take yes for an answer on same-sex marriage, so all the sane people went home and now the fringe left is reduced to upping the ante on increasingly ridiculous trans policies.

This is one hard reality Dems deal with in every election: America is largely filled with garbage people.

Maybe the hard reality for you to deal with is that America doesn't like to elect people who openly hate them.

 

[cpwill]

And I think legislating social issues is extremely threatening to people who see it as trying to dictate their social and religious beliefs, in other words, their lives. Needless to say, that's a serious form of tyranny and rather primitive

Well that's a take, I suppose.

Out of curiosity, what religious belief do you think is being dictated by, say, laws against beating your spouse?

 

[rahl]

The last election was too big to rig.

When has a US election ever been rigged?

The Bush, McCain, Romney Mcconnell, Paul Ryan "conservatism" is dead....or on lasts gasps. There are some bitter clingers.

 

[j brown's body]

I have no idea why literal clown shows became an essential part of Democratic politics, yet here we are.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to guest judge on 'RuPaul's Drag Race'

Ocasio-Cortez teased the return of the show, which premieres Feb. 28 on VH1, saying in a tweet, "This was absolutely, 100% a peak experience."

www.nbcnews.com

Oregon House resolution honors Black drag performers • Oregon Capital Chronicle

House Resolution 3 honors Oregon’s history of Black drag and provides a four-page list of the Black drag performers dating back to 1958.

oregoncapitalchronicle.com

Mayor Adams Statement on Drag Storytelling

Mayor Adams Statement on Drag Storytelling

www.nyc.gov

It is the right-wing pushing policy with regard to drag shows, not the left.

The links you provide are in response to this right-wing repression of drag shows, which have been occurring for at least a generation without anybproblems and without progressives doing much of anything.

It is entirely a right-wing issue.

 

[Dans La Lune]

If Democrats were wise enough to run people that appealed to a national audience at the national level,

For example, people that you like. Did you vote for Kamala? If not, why not? She ran as an appeal-to-conservatives candidate.

people that appealed to the local audience at the local level, and not let the extremes or social media dominate the party messaging, yes, they would do better.

I don't see policy in this sentence at all.

2020, I believe it was.

Progressives showed up and gave Biden the win. Biden ran a more woke and progressive campaign than Kamala.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Yeah, because in the span of a decade, Democrats moved from "Adults should be allowed to marry whoever they want" to "Little boys should be able to take puberty blockers if they think they're girls." You're right, it's too much. The fringe left couldn't take yes for an answer on same-sex marriage, so all the sane people went home and now the fringe left is reduced to upping the ante on increasingly ridiculous trans policies.


Maybe the hard reality for you to deal with is that America doesn't like to elect people who openly hate them.

There isn’t a single democrat that has argued little boys should take puberty blockers because they feel like they’re girls. The argument is leave it up to the parents and medical professionals. How extreme.

 

[Gatsby]

It is the right-wing pushing policy with regard to drag shows, not the left.

The links you provide are in response to this right-wing repression of drag shows, which have been occurring for at least a generation without anybproblems and without progressives doing much of anything.

It is entirely a right-wing issue.

OK. Then how about just stopping with these constant "responses." Maybe Democratic congresspeople don't need to "respond" by going on Ru Paul's Drag Race. Maybe state legislatures don't need to own the cons by honoring black-drag-whatever. You can just...do nothing.

 

[Gatsby]

For example, people that you like. Did you vote for Kamala? If not, why not? She ran as an appeal-to-conservatives candidate.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Funny isn't it? I'm perfectly illustrating the losing strategy.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I have no idea why literal clown shows became an essential part of Democratic politics, yet here we are.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to guest judge on 'RuPaul's Drag Race'

Ocasio-Cortez teased the return of the show, which premieres Feb. 28 on VH1, saying in a tweet, "This was absolutely, 100% a peak experience."

www.nbcnews.com

Oregon House resolution honors Black drag performers • Oregon Capital Chronicle

House Resolution 3 honors Oregon’s history of Black drag and provides a four-page list of the Black drag performers dating back to 1958.

oregoncapitalchronicle.com

Mayor Adams Statement on Drag Storytelling

Mayor Adams Statement on Drag Storytelling

www.nyc.gov

oh no inclusion and empathy who are these Democrats to be Democrats! lol

 

[The Brad Dad]

The only voices claiming they don't have a right to exist are in your head. I'm not saying that, and no one is saying that.

It’s all Republicans worry about anymore, along with looking at children’s genitals.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Progressives: "Lets give everyone a better quality of life, across the board. And let everyone live how they want."

Conservatives: "But what about the Trans?"

Moderate Dems: "Yeah, what about the Trans?"

No such thing as moderate Dem. They’re just mostly white folks that want the benefit of Republican malfeasance while earning points for tsk tsking every now and then. Dems will win when we drown out the DINO. And they are dinosaurs

 

[Gatsby]

oh no inclusion and empathy who are these Democrats to be Democrats! lol

Democrats can be the party that passes symbolic resolutions to honor black-drag-whatever and only be competitive in very liberal jurisdictions, or they can be the party that wins national elections and expands access to health care and child tax credits.

Which way, Western man?

 

[The Brad Dad]

Democrats can be the party that passes symbolic resolutions to honor black-drag-whatever and only be competitive in very liberal jurisdictions, or they can be the party that wins national elections and expands access to health care and child tax credits.

Which way, Western man?

They win by running on divinity and inclusion. Desantis’ campaign cratered in part cause he ran on being super anti woke. Even Republican polling was showing fatigue with the issue. Democrats won’t win throwing away their own base so white liberals can feel good about hating minority groups.

 

[Logophile]

Well that's a take, I suppose.

Out of curiosity, what religious belief do you think is being dictated by, say, laws against beating your spouse?

What does that have to do with anything?? That's a fundamental law in this country with its broader foundation assault and battery. Women have equal rights, where they didn't in the 19th century, but we've evolved, obviously. We have laws against child labor and exploitation, and all kinds of other issues because we've evolved. Get some coffee or something

 

[Gatsby]

No such thing as moderate Dem. They’re just mostly white folks that want the benefit of Republican malfeasance while earning points for tsk tsking every now and then. Dems will win when we drown out the DINO. And they are dinosaurs

It's bizarre to me that you write stuff like this and then it turns out your vision of a progressive stalwart is...Andy Beshear.

But hey, I'll take it. More Andy Beshears in national politics please. If that's your electoral vision, great, we agree.

 

[Gatsby]

They win by running on divinity and inclusion. Desantis’ campaign cratered in part cause he ran on being super anti woke. Even Republican polling was showing fatigue with the issue. Democrats won’t win throwing away their own base so white liberals can feel good about hating minority groups.

I think DeSantis's campaign cratered because Republicans wanted to elect Donald Trump.

 

[The Brad Dad]

It's bizarre to me that you write stuff like this and then it turns out your vision of a progressive stalwart is...Andy Beshear.

But hey, I'll take it. More Andy Beshears in national politics please.

He’s a progressive and most certainly not the Joe Manchin types you keep talking about. Like Ossoff. Like Warner. Your entire strategy of having Dems run against Dems was just stupid and has never won a single election.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I think DeSantis's campaign cratered because Republicans wanted to elect Donald Trump.

That was part of it too. But it he anti woke shit is just Republican propaganda.