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Should Daycare Be Subsidized

Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    Votes: 30 75.0%
  • Total voters
    40
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Should we subsidize the cost of daycare? I was reading a Globe and Mail article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of daycare. It was talking about how daycare can cost you 20,000$+ a year thus being a big hit to new families even those making 100,000$+. The couple in the article from Toronto said they spend 13$/day on daycare (fully licensed, nothing fancy daycare) for their child while parents in Quebec can register at government subsidized daycares for 7$/day and there is a waiting list. In France they subsidize daycare and it is means-tested with the lowest price being 50 cents and the highest I think was 13 euros, a day of course. I personally support subsidized daycare as it enables both parents to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even the most successful new families, it is not a case of parents that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging parents to have more children because they can afford to especially in Quebec where immigration is a problem. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford daycare and it avoids waiting lists but Quebec is a nice compromise between the two.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Cant afford them, dont have them.
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No see that isn't an aspect anymore not even families in their late 20s with successful careers can really afford daycare. By your logic people should never have children till their late 30s when it is incredibly difficult and even then it might not be. Shouldn't we be encouraging young successful families?
 
0bserver92 said:
No see that isn't an aspect anymore not even families in their late 20s with successful careers can really afford daycare. By your logic people should never have children till their late 30s when it is incredibly difficult and even then it might not be. Shouldn't we be encouraging young successful families?
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My parents were 39 and 40 when I was born.
Why should tax dollars of mine pay for day care for kids that are not mine?
 
CRUE CAB said:
My parents were 39 and 40 when I was born.
Why should tax dollars of mine pay for day care for kids that are not mine?
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When then they are incredibly lucky because after I think after 35 it becomes rather difficult to conceive children and at that time most people don't want to raise a newborn child. You pay for others education it's the same principle.
 
Gipper said:
End thread.

It'd be nice to know that we don't shell out taxpayer money for everyone's mistakes.
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Like I said in the reply these are successful families in their late 20s making a fair amount of money they are not mistakes it is the time when people want children. People can't wait to their late 30s and 40s to have children.
 
There are many companies that already pay in part for daycare; it's one of the bennies applicants look for and quite a "perk."

But if I were looking for a good enough daycare for one of my babies, it surely wouldn't be one that was state or federally run, LOL.
 
afr0byte said:
I suppose you're against public education too?
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Mostly. But I see merit in educating our youth.
Day care is predominatly baby sitting.
Grade school is different.
If its a burden, why did you have the children. Its just one more entitlement, wic, ebt, welfare.
 
This is one of those things that I'm extremely sympathetic to but very wary of. I have two friends who had mistakes and are now parents at a very young age. It makes it extremely difficult for them to continue with school, hold a job, and build a better future for themselves and their family. In principle I think an extremely targeted program even if its just at a state level would be helpful to people like him and would end up benefiting us all in the long run because of his increased earning power, job prospects, and educational attainment. But these programs are ruined because they never stay narrow. The band of inclusion grows and grows and a multi-million dollar program becomes a multi-billion dollar program which is no longer a limited piece of assistance to those who need it, but a core entitlement which cannot be shorn or reformed.
 
0bserver92 said:
Like I said in the reply these are successful families in their late 20s making a fair amount of money they are not mistakes it is the time when people want children. People can't wait to their late 30s and 40s to have children.
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Then they should prepare for having children by getting decent enough educations, some work experience, alittle savings woudnt hurt.
Then make all the babies you want.
Not start making babies at 19 with no job, little to no education and little to no work experience.
 
Sherman123 said:
This is one of those things that I'm extremely sympathetic to but very wary of. I have two friends who had mistakes and are now parents at a very young age. It makes it extremely difficult for them to continue with school, hold a job, and build a better future for themselves and their family. In principle I think an extremely targeted program even if its just at a state level would be helpful to people like him and would end up benefiting us all in the long run because of his increased earning power, job prospects, and educational attainment. But these programs are ruined because they never stay narrow. The band of inclusion grows and grows and a multi-million dollar program becomes a multi-billion dollar program which is no longer a limited piece of assistance to those who need it, but a core entitlement which cannot be shorn or reformed.
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Lifes lessons are tough.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Mostly. But I see merit in educating our youth.
Day care is predominatly baby sitting.
Grade school is different.
If its a burden, why did you have the children. Its just one more entitlement, wic, ebt, welfare.
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You don't also see benefit in making more parents able to work?
 
0bserver92 said:
Like I said in the reply these are successful families in their late 20s making a fair amount of money they are not mistakes it is the time when people want children. People can't wait to their late 30s and 40s to have children.
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I want a Ferrari. Will you make a thread about subsidizing my need for a nice set of wheels?
 
afr0byte said:
You don't also see benefit in making more parents able to work?
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Fine, as long as its a REQUIREMENT. Not sit at home and drop baby off so mom can sleep all day and party all night.
I see that exact thing first hand.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Then they should prepare for having children by getting decent enough educations, some work experience, alittle savings woudnt hurt.
Then make all the babies you want.
Not start making babies at 19 with no job, little to no education and little to no work experience.
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Did you read his post? He was talking about successful late-20s couples.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Then they should prepare for having children by getting decent enough educations, some work experience, alittle savings woudnt hurt.
Then make all the babies you want.
Not start making babies at 19 with no job, little to no education and little to no work experience.
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The couple in the article and many like them are probably engineers, accountants, etc. they make over 100,000$ but 20,000/year is still a lot of money for daycare. Subsidizing daycare is also how we encourage people to get that education to get that well-paying job.
 
Some of you guys should just move in with the government already. The constant requests for favors is pretty annoying, imho.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Fine, as long as its a REQUIREMENT. Not sit at home and drop baby off so mom can sleep all day and party all night.
I see that exact thing first hand.
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Well, of course no one wants that.
 
Henrin said:
Some of you guys should just move in with the government already. The constant requests for favors is pretty annoying, imho.
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Seriously, when only about half of our work force working and paying taxes.
 
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