Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

[Lursa]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

so they are escaping from discrimination by practicing discrimination
seems an odd solution

This ^^

 

[Cephus]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

I'll remember that the next time I read about an Iraq war vet with PTSD.

Those people have a much more legitimate reason than "ooh, it makes me feel bad, I'm going to cry". When you're talking about people with weak wills and weak minds who have been told by helicopter parents that they're special little flowers who deserve to get their way all the time, color me not impressed.

 

[Lursa]

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Those people have a much more legitimate reason than "ooh, it makes me feel bad, I'm going to cry". When you're talking about people with weak wills and weak minds who have been told by helicopter parents that they're special little flowers who deserve to get their way all the time, color me not impressed.

Yeah, the violence, physical damage, and trauma of rape are just a little 'bump in the road'.

Those women were so weak willed and weak minded to let themselves be raped *utter disgust*

 

[Cephus]

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Yeah, the violence, physical damage, and trauma of rape are just a little 'bump in the road'.

Those women were so weak willed and weak minded to let themselves be raped *utter disgust*

This thread isn't about rape, so unless you're talking about a specific case and want to provide a link, that's just not what is being discussed.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

This thread isn't about rape, so unless you're talking about a specific case and want to provide a link, that's just not what is being discussed.

And yet, that's what you were responding to when I posted my comment about PTSD:

About? Check this one out at another previously esteemed institution of higher learning, Brown University:

KATHERINE BYRON, a senior at Brown University and a member of its Sexual Assault Task Force, considers it her duty to make Brown a safe place for rape victims, free from anything that might prompt memories of trauma....

So when she heard last fall that a student group had organized a debate about campus sexual assault between Jessica Valenti, the founder of feministing.com, and Wendy McElroy, a libertarian, and that Ms. McElroy was likely to criticize the term “rape culture,” Ms. Byron was alarmed. “Bringing in a speaker like that could serve to invalidate people’s experiences,” she told me. It could be “damaging.”

Meanwhile, student volunteers put up posters advertising that a “safe space” would be available for anyone who found the debate too upsetting.

The safe space, Ms. Byron explained, was intended to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies , as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma.

No one can make this up: A safe space for women who might be traumatized by a libertarian's assault on "rape culture" in a debate. Well, there's a simple solution: IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT FIND A DEBATE ON RAPE SCARY, DON'T GO, IDIOT!

Does a bad memory automatically turn a woman into a child of 4 years old?

"cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies"

How could any of that calm an adult?

How could anyone who freaks out at a memory be called an adult in the first place?

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

so they are escaping from discrimination by practicing discrimination
seems an odd solution
maybe this should happen once a year ... on MLK day ... just for the irony of the practice to be magnified

You have some growing up to do if you think white people are suffering from any real discrimination in this situation, let alone thinking it's actually comparable to pre-CVA segregation practices.

 

[justabubba]

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You have some growing up to do if you think white people are suffering from any real discrimination in this situation, let alone thinking it's actually comparable to pre-CVA segregation practices.

it's discrimination
it's obvious

 

[Ahlevah]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Yeah, the violence, physical damage, and trauma of rape are just a little 'bump in the road'.

Those women were so weak willed and weak minded to let themselves be raped *utter disgust*

Like I said, if the aim is really to avoid trauma then there's a simple solution: Don't go to the debate. It's not as though the subject matter would have been a surprise, you know? But what this thread is really about is the power of leftists to silence people who think colleges shouldn't be comfortable places. As Charles Kesler said in his opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, "The student protests are about power. And now that leftists have it, what good to them is free speech?"

So, since there was a simple solution to avoiding rape trauma or triggering PTSD, I'm left to ponder why the need for a room with puppies and Play-Doh:

Brown was in the New York Times last week — we were on spring break. It didn’t make my day, but it came close. Judith Shulevitz, a contributing writer for the Times, wrote an op-ed about college students and how they avoid ideas that they don’t like. Her first example was Brown’s safe spaces, particularly one that was created by Brown students during the Janus Forum’s event “How Should Colleges Handle Sexual Assault?” The forum featured Wendy McElroy, a speaker who has consistently challenged the idea of rape culture. Shulevitz commented on something that I’ve certainly noticed at Brown and read about elsewhere. She called Brown’s culture “self-infantilizing.”

I agreed with most of what she had to say, including her critique of trigger warnings, speech codes, safe spaces and the cancellation of provocative lectures for others’ mental health. Those restrictions on the free exchange of ideas are usually promoted as a way to keep students safe, but they’ve become about keeping students comfortable, and we have no business being comfortable.

Mills ’15: Playing it safe — too safe -- The Brown Herald

Yeah, who's against keeping students "safe," other than the Boogeyman, Satan, and Republicans?

 

[Cephus]

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Like I said, if the aim is really to avoid trauma then there's a simple solution: Don't go to the debate.

But that's the thing. Instead of taking personal responsibility for themselves, they expect everyone else to make sure that they are never bothered by anything, ever. It's not their job to keep from encountering things they don't like, the world owes them keeping those things from existing in the first place.

These people are idiots.

 

[Bodi]

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You have some growing up to do if you think white people are suffering from any real discrimination in this situation, let alone thinking it's actually comparable to pre-CVA segregation practices.

it's discrimination
it's obvious

Robbie... he said that it is discrimination, noth that white people are suffereing from it.

Discrimination is disrcimination End of story.

 

[Ahlevah]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

But that's the thing. Instead of taking personal responsibility for themselves, they expect everyone else to make sure that they are never bothered by anything, ever. It's not their job to keep from encountering things they don't like, the world owes them keeping those things from existing in the first place.

These people are idiots.

This guy has them nailed: "Stepford students" :lol::

I was attacked by a swarm of Stepford students this week. On Tuesday, I was supposed to take part in a debate about abortion at Christ Church, Oxford. I was invited by the Oxford Students for Life to put the pro-choice argument against the journalist Timothy Stanley, who is pro-life. But apparently it is forbidden for men to talk about abortion. A mob of furious feministic Oxford students, all robotically uttering the same stuff about feeling offended, set up a Facebook page littered with expletives and demands for the debate to be called off. They said it was outrageous that two human beings ‘who do not have uteruses’ should get to hold forth on abortion — identity politics at its most basely biological — and claimed the debate would threaten the ‘mental safety’ shock: There's that word "safety" again) of Oxford students. Three hundred promised to turn up to the debate with ‘instruments’ — heaven knows what — that would allow them to disrupt proceedings.

Free speech is so last century. Today’s students want the ‘right to be comfortable’ -- The Spectator

 

[Ahlevah]

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From the same source as the post above:

Incredibly, Christ Church capitulated, the college’s censors living up to the modern meaning of their name by announcing that they would refuse to host the debate on the basis that it now raised ‘security and welfare issues’. So at one of the highest seats of learning on Earth, the democratic principle of free and open debate, of allowing differing opinions to slog it out in full view of discerning citizens, has been violated, and students have been rebranded as fragile creatures, overgrown children who need to be guarded against any idea that might prick their souls or challenge their prejudices. One of the censorious students actually boasted about her role in shutting down the debate, wearing her intolerance like a badge of honour in an Independent article in which she argued that, ‘The idea that in a free society absolutely everything should be open to debate has a detrimental effect on marginalised groups.’ shock: And there's that word "marginalized" again.)

We're starting to see a pattern here.

 

[Ahlevah]

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Excuse me? "Men" are adults and women are not but instead are just whiny babies?

The word he used was "vaginas," which is more politically correct than a rather vulgar expression sometimes used to describe cats. But the meaning was still direct and to the point. That's why I "liked" it.

 

[radcen]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

You have some growing up to do if you think white people are suffering from any real discrimination in this situation, let alone thinking it's actually comparable to pre-CVA segregation practices.

You're being disingenuous now. Regardless how deep it affects the individual, discrimination is discrimination. Trying to pretty it up with noble-sounding words is counterproductive.

 

[Ahlevah]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Because it's establishing a safe area to escape from discrimination as opposed to discriminating by establishing segregated areas.

Historically, one purpose of college was to prepare kids to enter this thing called "the real world," not to protect them from girls dressed up for Halloween wearing sombreros and ponchos. It's where they're supposed to grow up, not retreat into their mommy's womb.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Like I said, if the aim is really to avoid trauma then there's a simple solution: Don't go to the debate. It's not as though the subject matter would have been a surprise, you know? But what this thread is really about is the power of leftists to silence people who think colleges shouldn't be comfortable places. As Charles Kesler said in his opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, "The student protests are about power. And now that leftists have it, what good to them is free speech?"

So, since there was a simple solution to avoiding rape trauma or triggering PTSD, I'm left to ponder why the need for a room with puppies and Play-Doh:



Yeah, who's against keeping students "safe," other than the Boogeyman, Satan, and Republicans?

It wasnt just about women going to a lecture on rape, it was for all victims of rape, period.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

The word he used was "vaginas," which is more politically correct than a rather vulgar expression sometimes used to describe cats. But the meaning was still direct and to the point. That's why I "liked" it.

Yes, I read it. And exactly how many men have vaginas? Of course it was claiming women were whiny, weak, and immature :doh

 

[Ahlevah]

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Yes, I read it. And exactly how many men have vaginas? Of course it was claiming women were whiny, weak, and immature :doh

You mean they're not?

I suppose he could have used the same word George Will used in an editorial on the topic--"snowflake"--but "vagina" served the purpose nicely. I mean, let's face it: physically, women generally aren't as strong as men. So while the context related to emotional weakness, the word had a certain force to it that would have been lacking with another word such as, say, "coward." I think he was trying convey maximum disdain for leftist rape mongers, who mostly are women, and he succeeded in spades. I also see people using the word to describe a spineless male. Sorry if you find it offensive or demeaning or if it removes you from your safe place, but that's life. I don't get worked up whenever someone uses a word like "brute" or "thug," but then supposedly that's because I'm a "privileged" male. :roll:

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

it's discrimination
it's obvious

You're not getting convenient access to a room while people of color are using that room to actually feel like people instead of being marginalized on a daily basis. Stop acting like you're a victim here.

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Robbie... he said that it is discrimination, noth that white people are suffereing from it.

Discrimination is disrcimination End of story.

If a group that represents people of color such as a black student union requests that such an area be established, who exactly is being discriminated here?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

You mean they're not?

I suppose he could have used the same word George Will used in an editorial on the topic--"snowflake"--but "vagina" served the purpose nicely. I mean, let's face it: physically, women generally aren't as strong as men. So while the context related to emotional weakness, the word had a certain force to it that would have been lacking with another word such as, say, "coward." I think he was trying convey maximum disdain for leftist rape mongers, who mostly are women, and he succeeded in spades. I also see people using the word to describe a spineless male. Sorry if you find it offensive or demeaning or if it removes you from your safe place, but that's life. I don't get worked up whenever someone uses a word like "brute" or "thug," but then supposedly that's because I'm a "privileged" male. :roll:

.Wow.

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

You're being disingenuous now. Regardless how deep it affects the individual, discrimination is discrimination. Trying to pretty it up with noble-sounding words is counterproductive.

You're not pointing out any discrimination here that harms you or any other white individual.

 

[justabubba]

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You're not getting convenient access to a room while people of color are using that room to actually feel like people instead of being marginalized on a daily basis. Stop acting like you're a victim here.

make sure you have a sign so everyone knows in which room they are permitted

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Historically, one purpose of college was to prepare kids to enter this thing called "the real world," not to protect them from girls dressed up for Halloween wearing sombreros and ponchos. It's where they're supposed to grow up, not retreat into their mommy's womb.

So people of color should just grow up but the people marginalizing them in an environment that's suited for them should continue what they're doing, alright.

 

[Ahlevah]

Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

It wasnt just about women going to a lecture on rape, it was for all victims of rape, period.

Perhaps, but go back and reread the opinion piece by Judith Shulevitz that described how the room came about, including that it was "intended to give people who might find comments 'troubling' or 'triggering,' a place to recuperate." I wonder if the puppies are still there. I'm guessing not.