Should children be allowed to use smartphones?

[BirdinHand]

Schools have a duty of care for minors in the care



That happens. Schools can also just ban certain things. Skateboards in class, weapons, drugs, porno, distracting, radios, movies, etc.



Not every parent is the superstar that you are... meaning, the issue is bigger than you.

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Electronics - including cell phones - have their time and place.

No, they shouldn’t be out and being utilized at school unless it is for the purpose of a class. Schools should enforce any rules that they have around electronic devices. . I think keeping them off during class and in a purse/backpack is a fair rule.

Parents should monitor utilization and safety and teach appropriate utilization. And also be appropriate role models for utilization/usage.

I bet you have limits as well as parental control over the phone though.

Yep.

And all his electronics have a central docking station in MY room where they charge

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I am not saying it is a problem or not at any one school. I asked a question in the OP. You are free to answer if you like.,

I am free to do whatever I want within the rules.

It is obviously a massive problem and no one parent has the right to say their kid can have and use a phone at school if it causes distractions.

That is what I think. What is it that you think?

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You are "not saying it is a problem" but then you assert "It is obviously a massive problem"? Just not a massive problem at schools with phone bans. 75% of schools already ban phones in the classroom. So you want the other 25% to ban them?

Oh, that's right, you just asked a question. We are conversing because I told you my opinion. But you rejected it. You did not argue against it, you first implied I have not seen what the entire world has seen. And rejected my position that children are their parents' responsibility because not all parents are as good me.

Meanwhile, banning phones in schools has been trending and gaining strength. I agree that schools can and should ban phones if necessary. I disagree there should be any law forcing the ban legally. States should advise that banning phones during class is a possible solution to student phone issues.

Are you scrolling while typing? You seem distracted.

 

[Bodi]

I am free to do whatever I want within the rules.

You are "not saying it is a problem" but then you assert "It is obviously a massive problem"?

Gotta read it all mate...

Just not a massive problem at schools with phone bans. 75% of schools already ban phones in the classroom. So you want the other 25% to ban them?

Oh, that's right, you just asked a question. We are conversing because I told you my opinion. But you rejected it. You did not argue against it, you first implied I have not seen what the entire world has seen. And rejected my position that children are their parents' responsibility because not all parents are as good me.

Meanwhile, banning phones in schools has been trending and gaining strength. I agree that schools can and should ban phones if necessary. I disagree there should be any law forcing the ban legally. States should advise that banning phones during class is a possible solution to student phone issues.

Sounds reasonable.

Are you scrolling while typing? You seem distracted.

Scrolling causing distractions or distractions due to scrolling?


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[Allan]

Under 18.

Should they?

Why not.

From an educational standpoint grades are dropping

In my province high school scores are rising and graduation rates are up.

, attention spans are faltering, kids are obsessed with tic tok, instagram and following Influencers.

There have always been influencers that young people follow.

Kids are more detached than ever, obsessed with games so much that some schools offer EA Sports as a class, and it is not about programming or something... it is about playing video games while at school.

They can't do that in class.

Thoughts
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I love that older people who spend 3 hours a day in front of the TV and hours on their own phone are lecturing kids on what's best.

 

[Bodi]

I love that older people who spend 3 hours a day in front of the TV and hours on their own phone are lecturing kids on what's best.

Is it adversely affecting these adults jobs?

Why not.

I already answered that.

In my province high school scores are rising and graduation rates are up.

There have always been influencers that young people follow.

It used to be that kids had to wait to hear from them... after school or on the weekends.

They can't do that in class.

That is what many of them do in class.

 

[Allan]

Is it adversely affecting these adults jobs?



I already answered that.



It used to be that kids had to wait to hear from them... after school or on the weekends.



That is what many of them do in class.

Your whole OP has a "cantankerous old coot" vibe.

50 years ago you'd have been muttering about kids watching too much TV or yapping with their friends on the phone for hours.

 

[Bodi]

Your whole OP has a "cantankerous old coot" vibe.

Maybe it is you. What I brought up is an actual issue going on.

50 years ago you'd have been muttering about kids watching too much TV or yapping with their friends on the phone for hours.

Nope. But they better stay off my lawns.

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[Allan]

What I brought up is an actual issue going on.

What you brought up is a non problem. To support it you listed some sketchy, unsupported claims like declining grades.

 

[Bodi]

What you brought up is a non problem. To support it you listed some sketchy, unsupported claims like declining grades.

A non-problem that a government decided was a problem based off of evidence and made a law making it illegal for students to have cell phones at school?

There is declining grades, bullying, cheating, distractions, defiance, tic toc dance videos,
not participating in sports or activities because they are locked into their phones, etc.?

Those kind of non-problems? LOL

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[Felis Leo]

Under 18.

Should they? From an educational standpoint grades are dropping, attention spans are faltering, kids are obsessed with tic tok, instagram and following Influencers. Kids are more detached than ever, obsessed with games so much that some schools offer EA Sports as a class, and it is not about programming or something... it is about playing video games while at school.

Thoughts
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It should be left up to the parents generally, but then, my wife and I are not giving our children smartphones, and will not allow them to accept them as gifts until after Middle School. Maybe. As far as I am concerned, they should be disallowed in schools completely, as in, they should not be allowed on school campus and should be confiscated if students are found with them. Absolutely nothing good and a ton of bad comes from them in a school setting.

 

[Allan]

A non-problem that a government decided was a problem based off of evidence and made a law making it illegal for students to have cell phones at school?

Cantankerous old coots.

There is declining grades

And some places like my province they're going up. And kids here have phones.

bullying

Bullying goes back long before crank phones.

cheating

Ditto cheating.

, distractions,

As old as time.

defiance,

Yeah this never happened before in history.

tic toc dance videos,

OMG dancing! Do the Methodists know?

not participating in sports or activities because they are locked into their phones, etc.?

Sounds like you made this bit up.

 

[Bodi]

Cantankerous old coots.

And some places like my province they're going up.

Sounds like you are making this up.

And kids here have phones.

Bullying goes back long before crank phones.

Not remotely the same. Kids can't escape it by being in class or going home anymore.

Preventing Cyberbullying in the Age of Smart Phones

While smart phones offer children and teens many ways to learn, connect with others, and have fun, they also may put children at increased risk of being cyberbullied.

www.stopbullying.gov

Ditto cheating.

As old as time.

Yeah this never happened before in history.

OMG dancing! Do the Methodists know?

Sounds like you made this bit up.

Why are you not concerned about the children being adversely affected and learning less?




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[Allan]

Why are you not concerned about the children being adversely affected and learning less?

You've not made the casual connection between phones and grades.

 

[Bodi]

You've not made the casual connection between phones and grades.

I have made more of a connection than you have in denying it and since you seem to be half-assing it I don't see the point of putting in much effort.

 

[Allan]

I have made more of a connection

You've made zero casual connection.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Lots of them... secondary and colleges...

I understand your claim.

I’m asking you to support it.

Not Esports teams, which are not credit bearing classes. Those are and street school club or intramural team. I’m taking about your claim where they take a class for credit and sit around and play video games.

WW

 

[Bodi]

You've made zero casual connection.

Do you mean Casual Reasoning?



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[Bodi]

I understand your claim.

I’m asking you to support it.

Not Esports teams, which are not credit bearing classes. Those are and street school club or intramural team. I’m taking about your claim where they take a class for credit and sit around and play video games.

WW

Level Up Learning: How Esports is Transforming K-12 Education

Esports is redefining student engagement in K-12 education, creating new opportunities for learning and growth. See how schools are integrating gaming to encourage student success.

www.ki.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

Level Up Learning: How Esports is Transforming K-12 Education

Esports is redefining student engagement in K-12 education, creating new opportunities for learning and growth. See how schools are integrating gaming to encourage student success.

www.ki.com

Thank you very much, appreciated.

But that link isn't saying what you claimed in the OP, which is that there are schools that allow children to take Esports "classes" where they do nothing but play games. Which isn't true.

At younger grades it talks about how gaming can be utilized to enhance learning in other areas (such as STEM) and reinforced problem solving. All of which are tied to actual classes.

This then evolves in middle and high school to competitive intramural teams with after school practices and competition, which is what I pointed out.

Your link does not support the idea their is 3rd Grade Mario Cart or Freshman Call of Duty 101.

But thanks for the effort.

WW

 

[Allan]

Do you mean Casual Reasoning?



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No.