I am pretty sure the bible does not say you can be an accomplice is someone's sin. Jesus didn't buy the prostitute some hooker clothes, nor did he help the tax collector invent new ways of screwing people out of their money.And one more thing - what religion requires its adherents to open stores at all? If a religion says "don't do business with such and such a group", then don't have that kind of business to begin with. For instance, my own religion forbids gay marriage...but there is NOTHING in the Bible that says, "Don't do business with gay people". Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we must not do business with sinners in general.
So if I had a bakery, sure, I'd bake them that cake - it's their money, and the fact that I'm selling that cake to them is no more supportive of gay marriage than selling guns is supportive of murder.
I am pretty sure the bible does not say you can be an accomplice is someone's sin. Jesus didn't buy the prostitute some hooker clothes, nor did he help the tax collector invent new ways of screwing people out of their money.
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In other words, the ones who are refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple because of their "Christian" beliefs need to go back and learn what the Bible does say...and what the Bible does not say.
Selling a regular cake and selling a gun to someone is one thing.Someone telling you they need a gay wedding cake or they want a gun to kill their neighbor,ex-wife,husband or whoever is a totally different thing and it makes you an accomplices in the gay wedding and the murder .
Then they should refuse all marriages - you can't say "well, these marriages are okay, but not those other ones". It's not right to agree to refuse to sell a product to someone based on choices that are a direct result of that customer's biological traits..
When you finally grasp the idea that YES, homosexuality is something that people are BORN with (if to differing degrees), then you'll finally find yourself on the road out of the conservative echo chamber
We don't care about all that. America isn't governed by the bible.
Business != person. That is, businesses do not have a brain, nor a conscience. Your premise starts out wrong and makes it an impossible question to answer.
The company is property of the person who owns it. I could have asked "Should a person be forced to sell or rent his property and or services to groups or individuals or groups whose views go against their religious values or conscience. "But I would not have been able to squeeze all that in poll options.
I am pretty sure the bible does not say you can be an accomplice is someone's sin. Jesus didn't buy the prostitute some hooker clothes, nor did he help the tax collector invent new ways of screwing people out of their money.
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In other words, the ones who are refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple because of their "Christian" beliefs need to go back and learn what the Bible does say...and what the Bible does not say.
Selling a regular cake and selling a gun to someone is one thing.Someone telling you they need a gay wedding cake or they want a gun to kill their neighbor,ex-wife,husband or whoever is a totally different thing and it makes you an accomplices in the gay wedding and the murder .
There is no difference between a "gay" marriage and a marriage besides the genders of the people involved. You are discriminating against people based merely on their sexuality. I understand if some really evil people don't want to perpetuate the idea that we should all respect and love each other, regardless of stupid crap like being grossed out by anal sex, but I'd like to think that we don't make laws based on the wishes of really evil people.
Public accommodation laws don't deal with contracts between businesses, which is what dealing with an organization like the KKK or NRA would fall under. You can't deny service to a member of such a group who walks into your store, but organizations don't go to stores. Laws are a lot more complicated than "my pet causes aren't getting special treatment so... discrimination!!"
Here's the problem I have with the poll, you list along with gays, Hitler and the KKK. Being gay harms NO ONE.
If you want to sell someone a plane ticket so that they can marry someone in a heathen region or you want to perform perform a gay wedding or something related to that wedding then that is your choice.However the government should not force you to sell or rent your property and or services to those people if you believe that heathen and gay weddings violate your religious belief of conscience.I'll give you that I gave a poor example, so let's broaden the scope a bit. If you're "Christian" and you refuse to sell stuff that you believe will be used by this or that person for sinful purposes, what the heck CAN you sell? Not much. I sell airline tickets, so if I were to do as that bakery couple says, then if a man comes into my store and says he wants a plane ticket so he can go back and marry his girlfriend in a heathen religion, then I must not sell tickets to him...for what he is doing is very much a sin in the eyes of God.
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AGAIN, homosexuality is something that people are (to varying degrees (hence those who are 'bi')) BORN with. It's very easy for you to prove to yourself: let a Chippendale's stripper come to your private home and strip for you. Would you be sexually attracted to him? No? And that in and of itself shows you that one's sexual preferences is NOT a matter of choice, because just as you can't force yourself to be sexually attracted to that male stripper, someone who is full-on gay can't force himself to be sexually attracted to women. It's a BIOLOGICAL thing, just as are color, height, type of hair, whatever
Everyone knows Nazis hate birthday cake, so your question is invalid.
Unless the NRA and KKK as groups are selling products and services they are no more a business than a group of people trying to get married.Again organizations are people.
Even if organizations were people (they aren't, it's WAY more complicated than Romney's little slogan), organizations have no traits. They have no gender, no race, no sexuality, no religion, no nationality, nothing. They are completely blank slates, and thus cannot be discriminated against. .
Discrimination is about identity, not ideas.
Ideas get subject to the marketplace. People don't
I voted across the board for business owners to have the ability to refuse service to anyone. That said why in the hell would you? After all you are in business to make money, not to spread the gospel, not to talk about who you have sex with, Etc.
Not everyone is willing to sell out his moral values in order to maximize his profits.
That's up to the individual business owner I suppose. As long as I am treating people the way I want to be treated I will leave the judgement up to their maker. I don't believe a business should be forced to cater to anyone they don't want to or support any idea or agenda their particular religion is against. In my business I won't turn away anyone.
If you are asked, in exchange for a fee, to directly participate in something that you believe is immoral, you wouldn't turn that custom away?
So to you, money matters more than moral standards?
No money is not the most important thing to me, but it is very important to my business. I keep my business and my personal beliefs separate.
So, you have no problem, then, running your business in a manner that you personally would find to be immoral? Your morals and ethics apply only to your personal life and not to how you conduct your business?
So if you refused to serve a Nazi a Happy Birthday Hitler cake, that would make you a bigot???
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