Stinger said:The authorities and health care officials have stated New Orleans is not safe and is not habitable. There is no running water in most places and where it is running it is not safe, not even to touch. There are no hospitals, there is no 911, there is no food, no gas, no electricity no police protection there is no fire department.
Nagin is urging people to return in spite of what FEMA and all the authorities are telling him. He declared the admiral must have named himself the Royal Federal Governor.
So I'd like to here from all the people who blame Bush for not taking over before and just after the Katrina hit. Should he remove Nagin from power under the Insurrection Act and place a Federal official in charge of the whole city? What if Blanco objects and orders the State Troopers to hold them off? What if the local Sheriff refuses? What if Nagin refuses to honor thier authority?
SouthernDemocrat said:What is the source to all of this?
Stinger said:The authorities and health care officials have stated New Orleans is not safe and is not habitable. There is no running water in most places and where it is running it is not safe, not even to touch. There are no hospitals, there is no 911, there is no food, no gas, no electricity no police protection there is no fire department.
Nagin is urging people to return in spite of what FEMA and all the authorities are telling him. He declared the admiral must have named himself the Royal Federal Governor.
So I'd like to here from all the people who blame Bush for not taking over before and just after the Katrina hit. Should he remove Nagin from power under the Insurrection Act and place a Federal official in charge of the whole city? What if Blanco objects and orders the State Troopers to hold them off? What if the local Sheriff refuses? What if Nagin refuses to honor thier authority?
Old and wise said:No, Bush should not take over New Orleans. He screws up everything he gets involved in and he had his chance to do something right before the hurricane hit. Keep him out of it (and lard ass Cheney also).
Stinger said:So if he "screws up everything he gets into" then surely you are glad he didn't use "his chance to do something right before the hurricane hit", yes?
And what exactly was it he was suppose to do but didn't?
mixedmedia said:I have a novel idea! Let's let good sense dictate when folks should be allowed to return to New Orleans. If Mayor Nagin is acting in a foolhardy manner then obviously someone needs to step in for the sake of public safety. This whole partisan catfight over New Orleans is getting a little tiresome. And frankly its disrespectful to the folks, republicans and democrats, who have lost so much. I am not inclined to believe that anyone's politics was responsible for this disaster nor should anyone's politics decide who should fix it.
Stinger said:So you are saying Bush, the republican President, should step in an usurp the authority of the elected Democrat government in Louisiana including but not limited to the Govenor and the Mayor of New Orleans? And if they resist he should do what?
mixedmedia said:I believe the Bush administration and the representatives of the state of Louisiana should negotiate the ideal solution for the citizens of New Orleans and leave politics out of it. And I trust that that is what will happen. I don't see any benefit in dramatic speculation - as the folks in our news media LOVE to do. If the experts agree that New Orleans is unsafe then the governor and mayor should respect that consensus. I myself don't know anything about this situation as it is developing right now, so I cannot speak definitively on any of the details. It just seems to me that both sides, left and right, are way too eager to jump on any move that either side makes - it doesn't make for wise decision-making. It is my suspicion though, that the folks that matter, the president, the governor, the mayor, the LA reps, will be able to rise above the fray and make the right decisions for the people of Louisiana.
Of course, I could be completely wrong. It's been known to happen.
wxcrazytwo said:So, what is the point of this thread. There is a little known amendment to the constitution providing separation between the feds and the states. Bush is the last person you want taking over anything..
Stinger said:The point is Democrats and leftist have critized Bush and the Federal Government for not "moving in sooner" after Katrina hit. So why are they not insisiting. or were not at this point since Nagin backed down, they take over when Nagin was letting people back in to such a dangerous evironment that all the authorities said should not be occupied yet?
I agree the law prevent Bush from taking over after Katrina unless he invoked the Insurrection Act and I can well imagine the very same people who now say he should have sent in federal troops would be the same people complaining he took over.
Stinger said:The point is Democrats and leftist have critized Bush and the Federal Government for not "moving in sooner" after Katrina hit. So why are they not insisiting. or were not at this point since Nagin backed down, they take over when Nagin was letting people back in to such a dangerous evironment that all the authorities said should not be occupied yet?
I agree the law prevent Bush from taking over after Katrina unless he invoked the Insurrection Act and I can well imagine the very same people who now say he should have sent in federal troops would be the same people complaining he took over.
mixedmedia said:Well, you know you are absolutely right. And you know, it would be absolutely the same if the political roles in this situation were reversed.
I don't know why it is so hard for both sides to admit that everyone shares in the blame for this tragedy.
And why it is so hard for everyone to accept that no one wanted things to happen this way.
I will hand it to President Bush for one thing - stepping up and taking the blame.
Whether he truly deserved it or not, I think it shows that he at least is aware we need to get past this.
I also applaud his acknowledgement of the unchecked poverty that still exists in America
and in particular in the deep south. I sent the man a thank-you note. I feel he needs all the encouragement he can get.
I certainly have no reason to believe that assertion.
Because not everyone shares blame many deserve our hardy THANKS. Why is it so difficult for people to say THANKS?
Well because you have the media out there giving credence to such claims as the Guard was sent in to kill blacks, that the levies were blown up to kill blacks, that Bush held back aid because they were black and all sorts of nonsense.
And what specifically do you "blame" him for?
Personally I think it would do the country well if we got over this notion that if anyone suffers anything then there is a cord connecting them to someone else who is to "blame". The important thing is to look at what worked and what didn't and build upon those things that did and improve those that didn't.
You weren't aware of it before? You seriously don't believe he did?
[/QUOTE]I would rather send him an thank-you note for his economic policies that created jobs and give people opportunity than for just acknowledging something.
Well, you know you are absolutely right. And you know, it would be absolutely the same if the political roles in this situation were reversed.
Whatever, buddy. Go right ahead.[/quote]mixedmedia said:
You>>Oh really? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
Oh really, why do you find it ridiculous that I don't accept your baseless assertion as factual?
My Quote:
Because not everyone shares blame many deserve our hardy THANKS. Why is it so difficult for people to say THANKS?
YouSo no one at the federal level deserves any blame? Give me a break.
Well who at what for, and then while your at it do you believe no one at the federal level deserves thanks?
What media is giving credence to such claims? You mean the fantasyland paranoia media circus going on inside your head? Give me one example of an established media source giving credence to such ridiculous notions. And talking head guests on CNN or FOX don't count. I mean journalists reporting from the scene or anchoring giving credence to your claims.
Everytime the poll about it, everytime they put Sharpton or Farrakhan on an allow them to make such statments without challenge, everytime they allow Democrats to spout such vicious baseless claims without challenge.
Well if you stopped long enough to really read my post you would see that I don't blame him. But as far as I can tell there is no governmental agency faultless in this situation.
Fault for what and be specific.
My Quote:
Personally I think it would do the country well if we got over this notion that if anyone suffers anything then there is a cord connecting them to someone else who is to "blame". The important thing is to look at what worked and what didn't and build upon those things that did and improve those that didn't.
Jeesh, unbelievable. So republicans are never ones to point fingers and throw blame around. Give me a ****ing break. You're not yourself here on this very thread trying to place blame?
So this is more about blame and payback?
Well, he was probably aware of it, but he never mentioned it. I have always been aware of it. You know, I can tell you're trying to pick a fight with me, but you're wasting your time.
So you're making the factual statement that Bush has never mentioned, never discussed poverty? Is that your position?
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I would rather send him an thank-you note for his economic policies that created jobs and give people opportunity than for just acknowledging something.
Stinger said:Should he remove Nagin from power under the Insurrection Act[ /QUOTE]
No,he should do the honorable thing and resign.:smile:
kal-el said:Stinger said:Should he remove Nagin from power under the Insurrection Act[ /QUOTE]
No,he should do the honorable thing and resign.:smile:
Nagin? How about Blanco, she has done nothing to protect the people or stop Nagin from piling them back in.
Stinger said:Nagin? How about Blanco, she has done nothing to protect the people or stop Nagin from piling them back in.
kal-el said:Relax Dude, I didn't say Bush is totally at fault.
Stinger said:What is he partially at fault for, Dude? And you didn't answer my previous question, Dude.
You got proof of that?...Or is this a baseless opinion 'cause you don't like the guy?:roll:kal-el said:As to your first question, sure Nagin should be held responsible, But on the other hand, Bush is the President, he can basically do anything he wants. Like I said before, if Malibu or Beverly Hills got hit, Bush would be helping them out in a hurry, not 4 days after.
cnredd said:You got proof of that?...Or is this a baseless opinion 'cause you don't like the guy?:roll:
I think if Malibu or Beverly Hills got hit, Bush's blame would be just as irrelevant...These places don't have a Mayor Nagin, which means their emergency plans would be more efficient...If Bush asked if they needed help, I wouldn't be surprised if they said "No thanks...we got it under control ourselves...We don't want federal government interference"
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