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In theory. On paper.i am sure he meant.."no to be treated cruelly" by the power of law.
no law grants rights.... in america.
In theory. On paper.
i'm with you in spirit..legally that isn't going to happen.This issue is very important to me, and I would like to hear others opinions. I think this is a very important issue that doesn't get the attention that it deserves.
No, they are food.This issue is very important to me, and I would like to hear others opinions. I think this is a very important issue that doesn't get the attention that it deserves.
This issue is very important to me, and I would like to hear others opinions. I think this is a very important issue that doesn't get the attention that it deserves.
Because there is, or was, the potential to understand rights. Animals are dumb, there's no point giving them rights.
Do you have any animals? They are not as dumb as you think.
I have two lizards, a snake, 5 frogs, a scorpion, a bunch of fish and a turtle. They're dumb. I tried explaining the concept of rights to one of my my girlfriends beagles. It went and sniffed the butt of her other beagle. I tried to get one of the stray cats I've befriended to read On Liberty by John Stuart Mill, it meowed at me. Sure, some animals can display complex emotions, but none are up to understanding the concept of rights.
Define "cruel". I grew up in the chicken farming business and let me tell you something about chickens man. Chickens are some of the dumbest ****ing animals in the world. Well at least at night. In the day time they are fairly crafty. If you have a chicken farm with about 70,000+ chickens how do you think you gather them all up in less than 6 hours to take to the slaughter house? You turn off the lights. If you turn off the lights they are so dumb that they think they are asleep. They won't even move. If you are in a sea of chickens with the lights off you literally have to kick them out of your way to get out the door. I made that mistake once when I was a kid. Other than that farmers do everything they can to protect them and be humane. They have to constantly worry about chicken hawks, wild cats, dogs, the heat, the cold, disease, tornados, hurricanes, etc. My thing is, actually do it be a farmer, and see how hard it is to raise these things then preach.
Is a 5 or 6 year old dumb? Because the smartest animal on planet earth is about that smart. Has nothing to do with a "different type of understanding." The vast majority of what we call animals are quite stupid or dumb by human standards. I will use the alligator for example. Here is an animal that can grow up to 12 feet long. It's brain is the size of a marble. Not much going on there but instinct.
Actually no, I don't think they are dumb. Shoot, my friend's son is two and I think he's a genius. Even if he was "dumb" or developmentally delayed or whatever, that doesn't suggest for me that I shouldn't have compassion for him or that I think it would be ok for him to suffer just because I'm convinced of my own superiority or something.
Nothing but a strawman. I never said anything about not having "compassion" or anything even close. Also said nothing about wanting anything to suffer.
You might want to go back and read what I actually said or at least address my comments.
So far you have mixed my comments up with at least 2 other posters.
Entirely possible. What's the point of saying that animals are "dumb" again? What does that conclusion justify or make acceptable with regards to our actions toward them, and does the same apply to humans who might be considered "dumb"?
You might want to read the thread.
Being considered "dumb" is justification for what? That's what I'm asking.
Being considered "dumb" is justification for what? That's what I'm asking.
I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.
Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.
Because there is, or was, the potential to understand rights. Animals are dumb, there's no point giving them rights.
Here since you seem unable to search...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...e-rights-protection-etc-8.html#post1064540274
So what actions/behaviors towards animals are acceptable based on your determination that animals are "dumb"? What does that justify?
I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.
Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.
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Yeah, that's inconsistent. If animals should have no rights and, then how can you say there should be laws protecting them? What's that based on? Can you be cruel to a table or a toaster? Does a car have an "right" to no be treated cruelly? No and you're saying animals are no different.
Whatever. I don't think my dogs are dumb at all. I don't think my friend's two year old is dumb or that 5 and 6 year old are dumb and even if I did, that would not make me think it's ok to treat them badly (or whatever it is you're using this determination that they're dumb to justify that you won't tell me. :lol.
Animal rights is the idea that some, or all, non-human animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives, and that their most basic interests – such as the lack of suffering – should be afforded the same consideration as similar interests of human beings.
I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.
Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.
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