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I've meant adult persons.
And what rights do you believe your dog should have, if we consider that the law already protects animals from cruelty?
The right to remain silent? The freedom of speech? Give me a break.
Please, you and others started with "they are only property, they don't have more rights than a table," and we are countering that no, they should have rights that tables do not. Nowhere did you or we mention freedom of speech and this other crap
Everyone who's been to a public school has seen some kid who just sits there and drools and has no idea where the **** they are. That wasn't what i was saying at all anyway. Dogs have no use for human education, just as humans have no use for training to catch frisbees
If you feel animals are too stupid to have any intrinsic worth in and of themselves and you see them as no different than a table
I suspect that any support you claim for anti-cruelty laws is a little manufactured because it's not based on anything. Without even a basic right to be be acknowledged as living feeling creatures you don't have a leg to stand on to claim that animal cruelty is of any concern to you.
I was, but my argument is that no animals deserve rights. That all is equal between frogs and dogs in the rights deserving department.
He is asking why that is the case. Legislation does not dictate the truthful ess of moral propositions.Equal in that all creatures deserve rights/protection.
He is asking why that is the case. Legislation does not dictate the truthful ess of moral propositions.
I'm taking a guess as to what he is trying to say in order to provoke debate. Is this not a debate forum?How do you know what "he" is asking/trying to say?
I'm taking a guess as to what he is trying to say in order to provoke debate. Is this not a debate forum?
Actually I think we have a semantics problem going on here! There are many different creatures in the world; some are cold blooded like snakes and others are warm blooded like us with emotions, needs, etc.
Rights such as protection of habitat for some, protection from extinction for others
and the right to love, kindness, food and shelter for our domestic furbabies. That is where "I" am coming from!
Who says snakes don't have emotions and needs? Are you saying they're like a table? :lol:
There are laws for that.
Humans don't have these rights, so you want animals to have them?
Who says snakes don't have emotions and needs? Are you saying they're like a table? :lol:
There are laws for that.
Humans don't have these rights, so you want animals to have them?
You are too funny. Have you ever curled up with a snake? They have needs, but operate on extinct!
The endangered species laws are being eroded on a daily basis. Congress doesn't care about wildlife, wetlands or anything else that would protect the different species. Just picture Sarah Palin shooting wolves from a helicopter!
Humans don't have the right to love and kindness? Unbelievable!
Snakes have much less emotions than a dog has for example but they still have a certain level of emotions.
If laws are being violated or ignored then it's the fault of the justice system.
There is no such thing as "the right to love and kindness". There is the right to free movement, the right to life, etc. not "the right to love and be loved" or some bollocks like that.
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