Should all "military-style" weapons be confiscated by the US government?

[Mika-El]

I think I do try to be civil, to a point. I thank you for the compliment.

If it is a contradiction, it's one imposed on me by my state. A disclaimer though. I don't carry a firearm, or at least haven't for a long time. Decades at least. I do tend to have one nearby that I could hopefully get to in a pinch.

But I would say that malicious intent is not the only reason to conceal something, and that would include firearms.

Again I can concur that I can not say all people who conceal weapons have malicious intent RF including you. My argument actually is I can not say what your intent is at all and so if I am a police officer that is a nightmare. How do they deal with gun bulges and knowing which gun bulge has no malicious intent or more aptly put who could pull a weapon on them or shoot them by accident shooting at a supposed criminal?

As for hiding weapons to make oneself less of a target I do not get that argument. A person without a gun or a person who conceals a gun is the same target if we use that argument which means what...every American must carry a concealed weapon because they are a target? That makes zero sense. That would completely arm a society meaning the potential for people to shoot at one another by error mistaking intent and fear of others with concealed weapons would sky rocket.

Is it not bad enough some of you fear your fellow Americans, now you want every American armed and you think that will reduce the fear and not increase it?

 

[Ethel2]

That’s right, follow Michael Bloomberg’s bouncing ball and ban tens of millions of scary-looking guns responsible for a handful of killings rather than focus on the actual problem, which is the criminal misuse of handguns:

Mass killing database: Revealing trends, details and anguish of every US event since 2006

How many mass killings are there in the US? High profile public shootings are only a portion of the nation's mass killings since 2006, analysis shows.

www.usatoday.com

No need to ban the human hunting guns -as long as they can’t accept more than ten rounds.

 

[RF667799]

Again I can concur that I can not say all people who conceal weapons have malicious intent RF including you. My argument actually is I can not say what your intent is at all and so if I am a police officer that is a nightmare. How do they deal with gun bulges and knowing which gun bulge has no malicious intent or more aptly put who could pull a weapon on them or shoot them by accident shooting at a supposed criminal?

As for hiding weapons to make oneself less of a target I do not get that argument. A person without a gun or a person who conceals a gun is the same target if we use that argument which means what...every American must carry a concealed weapon because they are a target? That makes zero sense. That would completely arm a society meaning the potential for people to shoot at one another by error mistaking intent and fear of others with concealed weapons would sky rocket.

Is it not bad enough some of you fear your fellow Americans, now you want every American armed and you think that will reduce the fear and not increase it?

The police should assume the possibility of anyone they interact with as being armed. Being armed is not necessarily indicated by some sort of bulge. Perhaps only the minority of cases of someone being armed are.

Do you fear your fellow Canadians? You do realize there is the possibility that any of them could be armed, and you not aware of it.

 

[RF667799]

No
Need to ban the human hunting guns -as long as they can’t accept more than ten rounds.

So 20 or 30 dead in a mass shooting are fine. That's definitely where you draw a line though!

 

[Ethel2]

Again the weapon of choice of mass shooters is not the AR-15 modern sporting rifle. The gay Orlando night club shooter did not use a AR-15 modern sporting rifle and he killed 49 people. The Viriginia Tech shooter did not use an AR-15 modern sporting rifle and he killed 32 people. The Luby's shooter killed 23 people and he did not use a AR-15 modern sporting rifle.

I gave you SEVEN examples of AR-15 human hunting rifle’s being used to kill and wound large numbers of people. Do you still want to deny that this weapon is used to hunt humans?
Warning: you would look really silly if you deny that fact.

 

[RF667799]

I gave you SEVEN examples of AR-15 human hunting rifle’s being used to kill and wound large numbers of people. Do you still want to deny that this weapon is used to hunt humans?
Warning: you would look really silly if you deny that fact.

It can be used to kill, and even to murder. It has that in common with every gun I know of.

All the hand wringing hyperbole aside; What's your point?

Hey, was it Everytown had that meme about duck hunters being limited to 3 rounds and so ducks had more protection than children? That was some hilarious shit. You should post it in the gun humor thread.

 

[Mika-El]

Nope.
It’s called a direct, honest assessment.
Stop posting emotional bullshit.
I call people out for dishonest bullshit posts
Honesty and common sense are rare these days.

Lol, You present no substantiated positions just brief ejaculated proclamations. What you call direct honest assessments I call stains made by men with small hands.

 

[SMTA]

Lol, You present no substantiated positions just brief ejaculated proclamations. What you call direct honest assessments I call stains made by men with small hands.

Your opinions here are of no value, and represent emotional blather devoid of logic.
Don’t waste my time again.

 

[SMTA]

No need to ban the human hunting guns -as long as they can’t accept more than ten rounds.

More bullshit
Not your decision

 

[Mika-El]

Just to be to be clear it is accurate to say the majority of mass killings are done by hand guns.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2024| Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

That said here are 14 shootings where the AR 15 was used:

Boulder, Orlando, Parkland, Las Vegas, Aurora, Sandy Hook: Waffle House, San Bernardino, Midland/Odessa, Poway synagogue,Sutherland Springs, Tree of Life Synagogue, Uvalde, Buffalo, Colorado Springs.

So, while it is accurate to say Handguns have been used in about 75 percent of mass shootings since 1982, it is also accurate to say the mass killings where AR-15-style rifles were used those AR 15 shootings did have the highest number of victims. To be clear, with 50% or half of the ten deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history, AR-15-style rifles were the primary weapon.

Anyone can look that up. So with that in mind using the handgun is used to kill argument misses the point of why there is a real concern with AR 15's.

That is Ethel's point and mine. We do not argue hand guns are not used in mass murders. We argue the fact that handguns are used in mass murders does not make AR15's better to use in mass murders and if anything you add to our argument that Americans are slaughtering one another with handguns which is why we want better gun control and prioritize auto weapons since they kill more.

But hey now that you mentioned it I myself would argue auto handguns should also be restricted from sale for personal use, i.e., machine pistols, the G18.

 

[Ethel2]

More bullshit
Not your decision

Nope. It isn’t. Neither is it your decision.
But thanks for your insightful post anyway

 

[Mika-El]

Your opinions here are of no value, and represent emotional blather devoid of logic.
Don’t waste my time again.

No one forces you to read my posts. No one. What you think of my opinions is not the issue. Your inability to present your own is.

 

[Ethel2]

Just to be to be clear it is accurate to say the majority of mass killings are done by hand guns.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2024| Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

That said here are 14 shootings where the AR 15 was used:

Boulder, Orlando, Parkland, Las Vegas, Aurora, Sandy Hook: Waffle House, San Bernardino, Midland/Odessa, Poway synagogue,Sutherland Springs, Tree of Life Synagogue, Uvalde, Buffalo, Colorado Springs.

So, while it is accurate to say Handguns have been used in about 75 percent of mass shootings since 1982, it is also accurate to say the mass killings where AR-15-style rifles were used those AR 15 shootings did have the highest number of victims. To be clear, with 50% or half of the ten deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history, AR-15-style rifles were the primary weapon.

Anyone can look that up. So with that in mind using the handgun is used to kill argument misses the point of why there is a real concern with AR 15's.

AR-15s are basically human hunting machines if they carry magazines with more than ten rounds. No one needs such a weapon with an LCM.

 

[Maidenrules29]

"... they vastly outnumber the law-abiding, licensed concealed carriers."

Wow! Thats-A-Lotta non-law abiding! If you're statement is accurate, why so few cops vs more than half million, armed
non-law abiding in each of four states?

Concealed Carry Laws and Gun Permits Issued by State

Since more college campuses are considering or are being forced to allow concealed carry, here's a breakdown of laws, requirements, and permits issued by state.

www.campussafetymagazine.com

Did you fail to read? I said IN THE POPULOUS CITIES they are outnumbered. How many licensed CCW holders are there in L.A.?, NYC? Chicago? San Francisco? Baltimore? Kansas City? ALL BLUE CITIES with tons of violent crime and murder that do NOT hardly give out CCW permits, while the violent criminals in those cities just la-de-dah about their crime-filled day strapped with their illegally possessed concealed firearms. Try harder next time.

 

[Maidenrules29]

No one needs such a weapon with an LCM.

Who exactly set the benchmark or definition as to what is a "large capacity" magazine? Most semi-auto pistols, excluding various 1911 style models come standard with 15-22 rounds. Those magazines are thus standard capacity magazines. Since their introduction, AR-15's have come standard with 30 round magazines. The 10 round mags that some states mandate for those rifles are by definition reduced capacity magazines.

 

[Maidenrules29]

How do they deal with gun bulges

If you are conceal-carrying correctly, wearing the right type of clothing to help conceal your firearm, and are using the proper holster and carrying in the best position suited to your body type, there is no bulge or "print" giving away the fact that you are carrying. Its really very simple.

As for hiding weapons to make oneself less of a target I do not get that

This is also very easy. Watch this video. If your weapon is out for anyone to see, a perp who is behind you can just snag it. I don't know about you, but I dont have eyes in the back of my head.

 

[Ahlevah]

No need to ban the human hunting guns -as long as they can’t accept more than ten rounds.

Bad idea, for the same reason local police and federal law-enforcement officers favor semi-automatic handguns with high-capacity magazines over revolvers: they’re a better choice for incapacitating a threat by virtue of their ability to discharge more rounds more rapidly. A citizen only has one life. He needs to be at least on the same playing field as the criminal rather than being handicapped and dead thanks to a liberal who has a gun phobia or, like Michael Bloomberg, hates guns in the hands of the hoi polloi.

 

[Ethel2]

Bad idea, for the same reason local police and federal law-enforcement officers favor semi-automatic handguns with high-capacity magazines over revolvers: they’re a better choice for incapacitating a threat by virtue of their ability to discharge more rounds more rapidly. A citizen only has one life. He needs to be at least on the same playing field as the criminal rather than being handicapped and dead thanks to a liberal who has a gun phobia or, like Michael Bloomberg, hates guns in the hands of the hoi polloi.

You haven’t been paying attention! As I have written many times LCMs should be reserved for law enforcement. You don’t need one unless you are afraid of being accosted by an army of hoodlums. And in that case I would suggest you move to a safer area. No need to take the law into your own hands. I can’t even imagine living in that much fear so that only an assault gun with an LCM would make me feel safe.

 

[SMTA]

Nope. It isn’t. Neither is it your decision.
But thanks for your insightful post anyway

I’m not here whining for changes, and being an anti moron

 

[SMTA]

No one forces you to read my posts. No one. What you think of my opinions is not the issue. Your inability to present your own is.

No, your just incapable of anything other than posting stupid shit
Well, well - not your country, not your concern.

 

[Ethel2]

I’m not here whining for changes, and being an anti moron

Nope
You obviously think that the current situation where mass killings are occurring nearly every day is just fine as long as you can hold on to your binky. Changes are going to have to happen. It’s a matter of time.
Remember: if you aren’t part of the solution then you are part of the problem!
Where do you fall?

 

[SMTA]

Nope
You obviously think that the current situation where mass killings are occurring nearly every day is just fine as long as you can hold on to your binky. Changes are going to have to happen. It’s a matter of time.
Remember: if you aren’t part of the solution then you are part of the problem!
Where do you fall?

Thankfully I’m nothing like you.

 

[Ethel2]

Thankfully I’m nothing like you.

Your posts certainly prove that

 

[Noodlegawd]

If you want to live in a society where people roam the streets with concealed handguns, how about you actually do that, Go to a country where you will not be a minority doing that and having all the luxuries people in conflict zones who have to do that do not have.

That's exactly the way Utah is, and it has a homicide rate comparable to or less than much of Canada.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Nope
You obviously think that the current situation where mass killings are occurring nearly every day is just fine as long as you can hold on to your binky. Changes are going to have to happen. It’s a matter of time.
Remember: if you aren’t part of the solution then you are part of the problem!
Where do you fall?

Almost 110,000,000 people, or 32% of the population or perhaps a little more own firearms in this country. Most of them are law abiding citizens who are responsible firearms owners, and will never murder anyone, accidentally shoot anyone, shoot themselves, or let their kids get ahold of their gun to harm someone unwantingly. There is an average of 45,000 gun-related firearms deaths in the U.S. every year. All deaths are tragic and sad no matter if its suicide, murder, or accidents. But you CANNOT take away or ban something that people want, especially if it helps them to defend themselves or their family, just because that thing is used to kill .00013% of the population each year. That may sound morbid or ghoulish, but when you have that small of a percentage of firearms involved in deaths compared to the percentage NOT involved, the only honest conclusion you can come to is that the gun itself is NOT the problem. Its the PEOPLE picking it up and hurting others or themselves that is the problem. I will go to my grave saying this. A gun is an inanimate object. NO ONE gets hurt if no one picks it up and uses it for nefarious reasons. We need PEOPLE to be better. The guns are doing just fine. Leave them alone.