Should all males be required to have vasectomies?

[craig]

Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)

This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.

 

[Serenity]

For serious?

You could be forgiven for believing you had just stumbled across an article from the onion.

 

[Fledermaus]

Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)

This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.

Have you gotten yours yet?

 

[Helix]

i think that a better idea might be to cut off internet access to neoeugenicists.

 

[Allan]

Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)

This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.

That's not a bad idea, but I think it should be phased in with conservatives going first.

 

[craig]

For serious?

You could be forgiven for believing you had just stumbled across an article from the onion.

I think I'm serious. I have been thinking about this for some time. We have the technology now. A vasectomy is now an outpatient 1 hour procedure. And not much more intrusive than a vaccination. And the number of social problems this would solve makes it worth considering.

 

[craig]

i think that a better idea might be to cut off internet access to neoeugenicists.

Don't understand this reply. Men and women will still have the same genetic children just planned.

 

[Helix]

Don't understand this reply. Men and women will still have the same genetic children just planned.

have you studied much history?

 

[craig]

have you studied much history?

Yes. Eugenics is about the genetic selection of human osprings. This has nothing to do with that unless you think having unwanted children somehow achieves that. This is just a better birth control regime.

 

[Fledermaus]

Still no reply to my question.

 

[craig]

That's not a bad idea, but I think it should be phased in with conservatives going first.

I thought we were long past vasectomies being controversial.

 

[craig]

Have you gotten yours yet?

Of course, it is the responsible thing to do. Men over 40 father children more likely to have health problems.

 

[Fledermaus]

I got mine after our children made it past the three year mark.

 

[craig]

I got mine after our children made it past the three year mark.

Not a big thing right. If you want a child later and it can't be reversed you can still use the method I described and have a child that is genetically yours and your partners.

 

[Fledermaus]

Not a big thing right. If you want a child later and it can't be reversed you can still use the method I described and have a child that is genetically yours and your partners.

Nope. If we wanted additional children we would have adopted.

 

[craig]

Nope. If we wanted additional children we would have adopted.

Yes. Good choice. It is a shame that there are more children than parents. That is what I was trying to address. I didn't think it was that controversial but I guess it is. Not sure why. Being a parent is a serious responsibility. Too often we have young people having children without the support they need and it damages both.

 

[Helix]

Yes. Eugenics is about the genetic selection of human osprings. This has nothing to do with that unless you think having unwanted children somehow achieves that. This is just a better birth control regime.

i'll take that as a no. forced sterilization is not an original idea.

Compulsory sterilization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[craig]

i'll take that as a no. forced sterilization is not an original idea.

Compulsory sterilization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is not sterilization if you can still have children. A vasectomy is birth control. It allows you to control when you have children.

 

[Helix]

It is not sterilization if you can still have children. A vasectomy is birth control. It allows you to control when you have children.

yeah, getting snipped isn't always reversible. getting forcibly sterilized is eugenics.

 

[craig]

yeah, getting snipped isn't always reversible. getting forcibly sterilized is eugenics.

Having A Baby After A Vasectomy

Vasectomies are a widely used method of contraception today. The failure rate is extremely low such that they are a very dependable way of avoiding unwanted pregnancy.

www.atlantainfertility.com

 

[craig]

yeah, getting snipped isn't always reversible. getting forcibly sterilized is eugenics.

Still don't understand the eugenics impact you claim. The gene pool is not being manipulated unless you think unwanted children affects it.

 

[Lursa]

Something that conservatives and liberals may both agree with is that if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)

This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.

No, that doesnt help with supporting the kid that he already produced. If the woman applies for public assistance, that comes out of taxpayer's pockets. It's not our fault, we already pay for kids with no parents.

OTOH, if he requests a vasectomy, I'm all for providing one for free...as long as he upholds, at minimum, financial support as required for the kid(s) he produced. Not the 'harvesting process' tho.

Also, I'm not sure how it will make abortion 'largely unnecessary' but any reduction would be good.

 

[craig]

No, that doesnt help with supporting the kid that he already produced. If the woman applies for public assistance, that comes out of taxpayer's pockets. It's not our fault, we already pay for kids with no parents.

OTOH, if he requests a vasectomy, I'm all for providing one for free...as long as he upholds, at minimum, financial support as required for the kid(s) he produced. Not the 'harvesting process' tho.

Also, I'm not sure how it will make abortion 'largely unnecessary' but any reduction would be good.

I think it would certainly be an incentive to wear a condom. The sperm harvesting provides a way to have planned children if everyone starts with a vasectomy and it cannot be reversed when you are ready to have children. Women have abortions usually when they are not ready to have a child.

Having A Baby After A Vasectomy

Vasectomies are a widely used method of contraception today. The failure rate is extremely low such that they are a very dependable way of avoiding unwanted pregnancy.

www.atlantainfertility.com

 

[Lursa]

I think it would certainly be an incentive to wear a condom. The sperm harvesting provides a way to have planned children if everyone starts with a vasectomy and it cannot be reversed when you are ready to have children.

Having A Baby After A Vasectomy

Vasectomies are a widely used method of contraception today. The failure rate is extremely low such that they are a very dependable way of avoiding unwanted pregnancy.

www.atlantainfertility.com

If 18 years of child support isnt 'incentive' enough...I dont see how a vasectomy would be. Again...after the fact, cool but by no means does it get them out of their current obligations. Do you view the taxpayers as an endless well of $$? Why? When the responsible parties are available and can be held accountable?

I didnt see you acknowledge my actual response.

And I dont care if they have kids in the future, that's on them. The govt doesnt owe them kids. So no way does the govt invest in reversible vasectomies or sperm harvesting. Why should taxpayers get stuck with that bill?

 

[craig]

If 18 years of child support isnt 'incentive' enough...I dont see how a vasectomy would be. Again...after the fact, cool but by no means does it get them out of their current obligations. Do you view the taxpayers as an endless well of $$? Why? When the responsible parties are available and can be held accountable?

I didnt see you acknowledge my actual response.

And I dont care if they have kids in the future, that's on them. The govt doesnt owe them kids. So no way does the govt invest in reversible vasectomies or sperm harvesting. Why should taxpayers get stuck with that bill?

I think you are miss reading the OP. It has two separate but related proposals.

if a male fathers a child that he is unable or unwilling to support he should be forced by the courts to have a vasectomy.

This a punishment for not supporting a child he fathers and also prevents a second violation. How many fathers are currently held accountable. I know more that aren't then are.

Or we could go even further and require all males have a vasectomy and then when he and his partner want and are able to care for a child, sperm can be harvested from the father and an in vitro fertilized egg implanted in the partner. (Process costs about $25000.)
This would make abortion largely unnecessary and greatly reduce the societal problems of unwanted and uncared for children.

This is a universal birth control regime that prevents the first case and ensures that all children are planned.