Should a student be punished for this?

[Vader]

What exactly was the student's opinion, other than that he thinks she should leave because she hates the country? The "Love it or Leave it" attitude? As far as political opinions is concerned, that's a pretty pathetic opinion.

Maybe so but it is legal in this country. The instructor does not have the right to punish students for having a different political opinion.

Condoning such behavior creates an uncessary standard in the classroom wherein some students have political favor and others are constantly a target for ridicule and unwarranted grading practices.

The instructor is was wrong to add politics to her classroom and she needs to be punished accordingly.

 

[Lightdemon]

Maybe so but it is legal in this country. The instructor does not have the right to punish students for having a different political opinion.

Condoning such behavior creates an uncessary standard in the classroom wherein some students have political favor and others are constantly a target for ridicule and unwarranted grading practices.

The instructor is was wrong to add politics to her classroom and she needs to be punished accordingly.

It was a scripture class...

Now, admittedly, I haven't been a student of any type of scripture class before, but I assume it has all to do with morality and politics. Am I wrong? What is the purpose of a scripture class?

 

[Vader]

It was a scripture class...

Now, admittedly, I haven't been a student of any type of scripture class before, but I assume it has all to do with morality and politics. Am I wrong? What is the purpose of a scripture class?

Scripture courses usually involve studying the bible. I could see teacher making comparisons between then and now; however, that is as far is it should go.

Bashing is unecessary.

 

[Lightdemon]

Scripture courses usually involve studying the bible. I could see teacher making comparisons between then and now; however, that is as far is it should go.

Bashing is unecessary.

We still don't even know what "bashing" is!

 

[Hatuey]

I almost regret not having had much of a thirst for knowledge when I was younger.

 

[Vader]

I almost regret not having had much of a thirst for knowledge when I was younger.

I think that is true of all of us.

When we're young we do not want to study.

 

[Dynamic]

I think the teacher should lose her job. A teacher is not there to press their judgement into the minds of our youth. They are there to guide them with truths as they know them. If she has such a distaste for the country, she has no right to make her students feel badly since they were born into this country. And I surely do not think a student should be punished for defending his country--especially to a teacher who is degrading it, within the country.

We should not teach our children to hide behind the walls when someone is tearing down something they believe in. it's not like he tried to hurt her physically. He was merely showing that he was offended and sick of her demeaning his country.

 

[Shewter]

It sounds like a legitimate question to me.

I never understood why people who oppose virtually everything to do with a country, stay in that country.

I will be mailing this kid a high five when I get his address :lol:

 

[Lightdemon]

I never understood why people who oppose virtually everything to do with a country, stay in that country.

Probably to make it better.

 

[mikhail]

I woould have to had pointed out she uses facism in the face of disagreement of her views.

 

[Gunface]

I think the teacher should lose her job. A teacher is not there to press their judgement into the minds of our youth.

Not at a private school.


The punishment sounds excessive, but as a kid who went to a private school who disagreed with practically everything the teachers ever said, I can tell you that the real way to go about correcting a teacher isn't to try to embarrass her, or to let your emotions get control of you.
Write her a letter, or an essay.
I once wrote my religion teacher a long essay about why abstinence-only education didn't work; it didn't change her mind, of course, but that shouldn't be your intention anyway.

 

[Vader]

Not at a private school.


The punishment sounds excessive, but as a kid who went to a private school who disagreed with practically everything the teachers ever said, I can tell you that the real way to go about correcting a teacher isn't to try to embarrass her, or to let your emotions get control of you.
Write her a letter, or an essay.
I once wrote my religion teacher a long essay about why abstinence-only education didn't work; it didn't change her mind, of course, but that shouldn't be your intention anyway.

Private school teachers are not above the rules. I don't give a damn what religion they are pushing.

She crossed the line and needs to suffer a scar to her permanent record. Even if she gets just a short suspension and and a good talking to --- she needs to be delt with.

 

[Real Talk]

I dont know how you could study the teachings of jesus, and not feel the need to say America is sick.
When our statesmen are guilty of the 7 deadly sins, id say shes got some real ****in talkin to do. If shes really a christian. Which I am not.

And ill never understand why people think that just because someone lives somewhere that that place is above reproach. Lets keep it real. America's ****ed up. And dont get me wrong. Im not sayin its more ****ed up than the norm. But pretty much anywhere we (people) congrigate, **** could be better.

And as I said, im not a christian, but I was pretty sure that was always the point of scripture.


Now, why I said "my kind of scripture teacher"; is that her criticisms of the U.S. seem more compatable with what I think the problems are, and with the lessons of the story of jesus than most religion in the classroomers (a concept im tolerant of where its not forced on anyone, but generally not extremely fond of).

 

[Real Talk]

Also, at least the punishment is loosly related to the issue.

In my opinion, she likely feels that this person beleives the u.s. is faultless, and abvoe reproach. As a teacher, I suspect that she desires to instill in him some critical thinking. Where he able to analyse what it is that is wrong with, as well as that which he likes, about the country.

I believe this to be a rather valid educational project. More than most, in fact.
She is not asking him to pick up rubish for having an opinion. She is not asking him to renounce America. She is asking him to delve into an analysis of what is wrong with his comunity. I think he is lucky to have a teacher willing to challenge his horizons in such a way, and that he will benifit from it. Altho she is tredding dangerous territory.

I mean, what happens if she doesnt like the letter he gives her? Were he goes on a racist, homophobic, classist speel about how all the poor sinful freeloaders are bringing us down . Can she punish him twice for the same crime? For this reason, I would think she would be smarter to set up a debate between students. And after the debate, state that this debate has proven that there are things worth talking about and considering in terms of criticisms in the U.S., and that altho no person in that room (including the teacher) posseses a monopoly on what they may be, that they are worth discussing.

Cause u know what they say. if one person eneds to ask the question, theres probably at least a few more out there who dont understand 2.
So u should adres it in public, stay calm, and adress the question.

So in short. Was her behavior suboptimal: probably
Is what she did a particularly bad thing: probably not.

 

[Gunface]

Private school teachers are not above the rules. I don't give a damn what religion they are pushing.

She crossed the line and needs to suffer a scar to her permanent record. Even if she gets just a short suspension and and a good talking to --- she needs to be delt with.

I agree, but that's how private schools are...

 

[Vader]

I agree, but that's how private schools are...

Sad... but true.

I went to Catholic school when I was a little boy. You are quite correct sir. This is indeed the way they are.

:mrgreen:

 

[dragonslayer]

For those of you who don't know I go to a private Catholic School, and I am in the 10th grade. Anyways we have to take a scripture course that lasts the entire year. Now it's not that bad and it is sometimes interesting. Right now we are at the fall of the Northern and Southern of Israel to Assyrians and Babylonians. And part of what we were talking about was similarities between our society toady and ancient Israel's society at its collapse. Anyways one of the scripture teachers is very negative about the US.

Anyways from the begging of the year she has apparently been very critical of the US, like she doesn't like it. Now I have no problem with that, she is entitled to her freedom of speech in this great country.:mrgreen:

Anyways when we were comparing the two societies of Today and ancient Israel she apparently went on a US bashing spree. Now a kid I know said these following lines " If you hate the US so much why don't you leave?" Now after these remarks he was punished with the following; a week of detention and he has to write an essay about why he is wrong for what he said.

Now the only justifiable reason I can see for this punishment is that he was disrespectful to a teacher. But that it isn't what the essay is about, it is about how bad the US is right now. So do you think this is a fair punishment.

One does not disrepect a teacher in front of the class. Student should have told his parents, and have them complain to the leader of the school.

Sorry this teacher had to so negative about the USA, but look at the total failure and problems caused by 8 years of ignorance by Bush and Chaney. It is very hard to ignore and forgive such terrible events and laws.

 

[Vader]

One does not disrepect a teacher in front of the class. Student should have told his parents, and have them complain to the leader of the school.

Sorry this teacher had to so negative about the USA, but look at the total failure and problems caused by 8 years of ignorance by Bush and Chaney. It is very hard to ignore and forgive such terrible events and laws.

It seems your personal feelings are getting in the way.

The student was wrong --- this is true; however, the teacher, whos job it is to set a good example, took it upon herself to go on a political bashing spree.

This is unacceptable and the teacher needs to be disciplined for it.

 

[Lightdemon]

It seems your personal feelings are getting in the way.

The student was wrong --- this is true; however, the teacher, whos job it is to set a good example, took it upon herself to go on a political bashing spree.

This is unacceptable and the teacher needs to be disciplined for it.

Examples of "bashing spree?"

 

[MBona]

School is no place for a teacher to be laying out their political ideals. The kid was only responding to this and should not have been punished what so ever. In fact by her bashing the US she was opening up the floor for debate whether it was deliberate or not. For her to punish him for responding with a actually decent question is completely unfair.