csbrown28
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But if gun ownership rates (legal or otherwise) were the key factor here one would expect to see more of a correlation. For example, Switzerland, where gun ownership is compulsory for men of conscriptable age, would (according to your logic) have a higher rate of officers being shot then the United States. On the contrary most common form of gun related death in Switzerland is wives killing abusive husbands with their own guns, and i cant say i will lose any sleep over that.
The real issue in the U.S is social inequality.
As a gun owner I'm going to interject and say that the culture of switzerland cannot be compared to the US. Gun crazy culture here in the US has run wild. I doubt you'll read many stories of children shooting Uzi's and killing themselves or others while there parents and certified instuctors look on...
Boy shoots self in head as father and brother watch
Girl loses control of Uzi kills instructor teaching her to shoot it.
So while I support firearm ownership, gun crazy culture here in the US is insane and cannot in anyway be compared to the Swiss IMO.
Good Lord people would be protesting in the streets constantly. That's not why people have been protesting in the recent cop/suspect killings and abuse cases.
And of course I dont believe it was justified.
and what was the reason then?
The police abuse and killing of suspects....most of which they believe are racially based.
As a gun owner you dont know your basic facts. When you remove psych issues and drugs, our firearm violence rate is comparable with western europe, except they dont have the rights we do.
You made the claim that gun culture has "run wild". Care to back that up? Who defines that?
thanks for your answer.
So you don't believe the killing of the LEO was justified, why not protest? Doesn't his life matter? I can agree there are a few bad apples in law enforcement. Those LEO's should be held accountable.
That said it is pathetic the lack of outcry for the outright murder of the NYPD LEO. There should be an outcry for the people who burned down businesses, destroyed private property, and looted others places.
If "lives matter" it should not be held to well all lives matter.
There is no excuse for the murder that took place.
Do you think it's a good idea to let children shoot Uzi's? No matter what your answer is, you've lent more credence to my argument.
To you're first point, I din't make claims about the violence rate, I'm talking about gun owners who believe their right to own, carry and use any firearm they want is god given and they cannot be taken away. Now, I know this will be hard for a lot of people to process given what i just said, but I'm not anti gun, I'm pro responsibility. The idea that it's a law that you have to properly label and store pesticides, hazardous chemicals and explosives, but you can leave your loaded weapon next to your front door with kids around, is to me, insane, but even more insane is if the kids shoot themselves or someone else, that the owner of that firearm isn't culpable in some way is beyond insane. Now I'll grant you, that's my opinion and I thought when I said that the first time it would be obvious.
What makes you think thats unique to the US ?
The reality is nothing of the sort despite what I know you'd like to believe. The relative murder and incarceration figures I mentioned earlier rather speak for themselves. Its your society that has far deeper issues than ours
PS. I visit the US regularly and over the years have witnessed the alarming rise in levels of destitution even in nominally affluent cities like San Francisco. Your solution just seems to be locking up ever more desperate citizens in ever greater numbers sadly.
Why did your people allow that?
But if gun ownership rates (legal or otherwise) were the key factor here one would expect to see more of a correlation. For example, Switzerland, where gun ownership is compulsory for men of conscriptable age, would (according to your logic) have a higher rate of officers being shot then the United States. On the contrary most common form of gun related death in Switzerland is wives killing abusive husbands with their own guns, and i cant say i will lose any sleep over that.
The real issue in the U.S is social inequality.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064595818 said:I see you mention no reason to blame or hold the criminal accountable. Let me guess, you're a liberal?
It's happened to about every liberal-run city in the US.
Yes social inequality is probably the major factor, (though even Switzerland has gun killing rates eight times those of the UK) and there seems little political will to address it.
Switzerlands intentional homicide rate is 0.6 versus 1.0 for UK.
Versus 4.7 for the US where nearly three quarters of homicides are by firearms
Versus 4.7 for the US where nearly three quarters of homicides are by firearms
Anyone with an ounce of decency thinks the officer deserved to be killed just because he was a cop.
Excuse me?
Yes social inequality is probably the major factor, (though even Switzerland has gun killing rates eight times those of the UK) and there seems little political will to address it.
I love the way its done with guns somehow makes it worse.
I'm so glad Mexico has strict gun control laws. That way there certainly aren't a lot of shootings in Mexico. Right?
Which is the statistic on the macro level, when compared across the country at the micro level comparing rates of gun ownership with violent crime, it's shown there is no statistical relationship between the two.
Regardless you tried to make the claim Switzerland was worse then the UK because of guns, and that was blatantly untrue
The Czech Republic has a gun culture similar to ours that even permits concealed carry by the average citizen with no magazine limits or assault weapon bNs, their rate of homocide is 1.0 exactly the same as yours
Excuse me?
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