Shoot or don't shoot.

[Kal'Stang]

I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

 

[Inalisist]

I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

If people are going around shooting people who are unarmed for just pushing them (with a pistol and not a taser), then yes training would be good. Really training would be good anyway because of how critical it is when people get shot.

 

[Kal'Stang]

If people are going around shooting people who are unarmed for just pushing them (with a pistol and not a taser), then yes training would be good. Really training would be good anyway because of how critical it is when people get shot.

I've got to ask....did you watch the video? I ask because your response is indicative that you didn't. This video isn't about training. It's about showing people what its like to be in those instances where a cop shoots or don't shoots. It's about walking a mile in a cops shoes.

 

[Inalisist]

I've got to ask....did you watch the video? I ask because your response is indicative that you didn't. This video isn't about training. It's about showing people what its like to be in those instances where a cop shoots or don't shoots. It's about walking a mile in a cops shoes.

Oh no, I didn't watch it through really and I had the sound down because my window is open. My eyes can't go through that at this time, too tired. They are already tearing up.

Anyway, my reply still holds.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Oh no, I didn't watch it through really and I had the sound down because my window is open. My eyes can't go through that at this time, too tired. They are already tearing up.

Anyway, my reply still holds.

Oof, you were doing so well until you edited. First watch the video then come back to me. And don't worry, the video and this thread will still be here tomorrow so go get some sleep.

 

[holbritter]

That is just one job I could NEVER do. Your life is literally on the line every single day. Add to that the decisions you need to make in less than a second...nope, not me. Kudos and gratitude to those who can. I'd rather be in the military on the front lines. At least you would know who the enemy is.

 

[Inalisist]

Oof, you were doing so well until you edited. First watch the video then come back to me. And don't worry, the video and this thread will still be here tomorrow so go get some sleep.

Yes, but a short write, I was going to say that if they do their routines correctly and critique it constantly for the better, they should run into less stressful situations. What I'm thinking of is on the strict side for people dealing with the police, but I feel as if it is necessary, there will be lots of detaining and searches.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I've got to ask....did you watch the video? I ask because your response is indicative that you didn't. This video isn't about training. It's about showing people what its like to be in those instances where a cop shoots or don't shoots. It's about walking a mile in a cops shoes.

And those cops are expected to not shoot unarmed people, especially ones that aren't a direct bodily threat to the police or civilians around them. If I had blasted some unarmed civilians in Afghanistan I would've been court martialed. You don't get a free pass on murder just because your job is hard.

That is just one job I could NEVER do. Your life is literally on the line every single day. Add to that the decisions you need to make in less than a second...nope, not me. Kudos and gratitude to those who can. I'd rather be in the military on the front lines. At least you would know who the enemy is.

Except in wars like Iraq and Afghanistan you spend far, far more time among local civilians than you do around "the enemy". Controlling your own emotions and being selective about who you shoot is highly important in both jobs. You're right, it's not for everyone, and we need to do a better job screening cops who shouldn't be ones.

 

[Common Sense 1]

I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

Thanks for posting this. I great attempt at trying to get non law enforcement people to have a little taste of what it is like working as a police officer.
Someone will understand after watching but there will be the few who think cops are the enemy not realizing officer's just want to do the best they can get finish with their shift with out getting injured or killed.

 

[blackjack50]

If people are going around shooting people who are unarmed for just pushing them (with a pistol and not a taser), then yes training would be good. Really training would be good anyway because of how critical it is when people get shot.

So an "unarmed person" cannot do damage?


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[blackjack50]

And those cops are expected to not shoot unarmed people, especially ones that aren't a direct bodily threat to the police or civilians around them. If I had blasted some unarmed civilians in Afghanistan I would've been court martialed. You don't get a free pass on murder just because your job is hard.



Except in wars like Iraq and Afghanistan you spend far, far more time among local civilians than you do around "the enemy". Controlling your own emotions and being selective about who you shoot is highly important in both jobs. You're right, it's not for everyone, and we need to do a better job screening cops who shouldn't be ones.

If a civilian came up trying to punch you, physically assault you, and swinging wickedly...what was your response? I'm betting dealing with a civilian in a combat area is a lot easier than one as a law enforcement officer. You can knock their teeth out if you want. Just don't shoot them.


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[blackjack50]

Most people have no concept of physical confrontations. Especially one that can turn deadly.


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[Thoreau72]

I don't know how the Brits have gotten by for so long without carrying weapons.

And how is it possible that 2 or 3 Scandinavian police officers on vacation in New York managed to subdue some aggressor on the NY subways?

He didn't understand how compliance works, says the Reverend, yet there are quite a few videos in which cops shoot unarmed men and women.

Yes, it's a tough job, but it seems that our police over-react more commonly than not.

 

[blackjack50]

I don't know how the Brits have gotten by for so long without carrying weapons.

And how is it possible that 2 or 3 Scandinavian police officers on vacation in New York managed to subdue some aggressor on the NY subways?

He didn't understand how compliance works, says the Reverend, yet there are quite a few videos in which cops shoot unarmed men and women.

Yes, it's a tough job, but it seems that our police over-react more commonly than not.

The U.K. Has a significantly lower rate of gangs and drug related violence. Additionally...when you see their officers going into a situation they have multiples. They also don't have to have probable cause to arrest someone, and they can arrest someone on suspicion. That means that being arrested is not as big of a deal legally speaking (even if it is a pain in the ass).

Further...they don't have the racial component. Not at the level we do. They also don't have the media salivating for one of those lovely anti police pieces that sells so much news. Remember...man bites dog. Why report the thousands of peaceful interactions? Stating that "we have a problem" and posting up a video of the one roid raging jerkwad is going to sell way more news.


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[jimbo]

I don't know how the Brits have gotten by for so long without carrying weapons.

And how is it possible that 2 or 3 Scandinavian police officers on vacation in New York managed to subdue some aggressor on the NY subways?

He didn't understand how compliance works, says the Reverend, yet there are quite a few videos in which cops shoot unarmed men and women.

Yes, it's a tough job, but it seems that our police over-react more commonly than not.

Unarmed is not the same thing as compliance.

LEO in many cases have less than 1 second to make life threatening decisions. They will get it wrong on occasion. When they do, somebody often gets hurt.

 

[americanwoman]

I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

Thanks for the video. I didn't have time to watch it entirely but the parts I did watch does give some perspective from the police officers point of view. No situation they encounter is exactly the same and they need to use force when needed. I still think there are some police officer who overreact or abuse their power, I've seen it a couple times but I do respect the majority other cops who are there to actually police and try and make the city better.

 

[blackjack50]

I think these sum up the reality of the job pretty well. While they may be silly...it is often times the case. High suicide rates and so on. I often wonder what the future of law enforcement looks like? Especially with shortage of recruits.


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[jaeger19]

I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

I felt that the video had little to really teach here.

First.. the fellow doing the shoot don't shoot is not trained as a police officer.. so the situation is much different.

Second.. the situation is made into a "shoot don't shoot".. But the focus is only on the use of the firearm.

That was really evident when he was trying to subdue the fellow lying on his stomach but he was hampered by the weapon he had in his hand. It was really scary to watch.

In the first scenario. He should not have drawn his gun. Any trained person could have defended himself to KNOW that the upcoming man was intent on deadly harm. Then fired if need be.

In the second.. he should have sought cover the minute that he was not able to see the fellows hands.

In the third.. he should have had the holstered weapon and used his arms to arm bar.. or otherwise restrain the individual.

 

[Mario]

I know this would be an impossible task but after watching this video I'd like to see everyone go through this type of thing at least once in their lives. Or at the very least the more vocal opponents of cops.

I've got to ask....did you watch the video? I ask because your response is indicative that you didn't. This video isn't about training. It's about showing people what its like to be in those instances where a cop shoots or don't shoots. It's about walking a mile in a cops shoes.

Good training and I'd like to see all the naysayers go through this. What people don't seem to realize, is the speed at which these encounters occur. From that video, a person has very little time to get it right and react in time to save their lives.
Thank you for posting this video.

 

[Inalisist]

So an "unarmed person" cannot do damage?


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You taser them at that point, not shoot them.

 

[Inalisist]

Ok for the video without the confusion...

The difference in experience is vast, police have far more training that these instances would almost never escalate to a police officer getting shot. For example, the first one would be the police officer would detain him if he looks worked up, or be close enough to him that he wouldn't lose sight of him and be able to grab hold of him before he reaches for a gun placed elsewhere. I really would like a police officer to comment on this, but I don't think this really portrays a police officers job experience. It's bias so that the experiencer isn't informed about the training police officers receive. Now it does give a good portrayal of how distrusting they have to be when on job, and I understand how unhealthy that can be.

 

[Inalisist]

I think these sum up the reality of the job pretty well. While they may be silly...it is often times the case. High suicide rates and so on. I often wonder what the future of law enforcement looks like? Especially with shortage of recruits.


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I agree with the two images at the top. It feels like people like looking for problems or trouble sometimes.

 

[blackjack50]

You taser them at that point, not shoot them.

You know that tasers kill? They are also not 100% effective. They misfire. They only zap once in a while.

It depends on the situation, but if someone rushes you and is attacking you...do you want to trust the taser with your life? Especially if you have seen it fail? I personally would encourage use of batons over tasers. But people don't like violence so damned if you do or don't.


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[Bodi]

I agree with the two images at the top. It feels like people like looking for problems or trouble sometimes.

That is how we challenge wrongs and make it better for everybody... what is your suggestion? Look the other way when wrongs are committed?

 

[blackjack50]

That is how we challenge wrongs and make it better for everybody... what is your suggestion? Look the other way when wrongs are committed?

When someone goes looking for trouble...they often find it. And therein lies the issue. You go looking for the problem and you find a few incidents? You might start considering it a problem rather than a few isolated incidents.

And when you aren't considering all the details? 3 second videos. Man bites dog reporting. If you really want to know if police are doing their job? Do ride alongs. Get on councils. Interact with them. Help them. Encourage the good officers to stay on. It seems like more and more people are turning the profession into a job that only dregs will take.

A prime example is that of prison guard.


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