Well, I don't really know what to tell you man. The problem you're having isn't a lack of information, it is just that you lack moral values. I could have helped you with the former, but not the latter. So, best of luck with that I guess.
"moral values"
I suppose "moral values" trumps the First Amendment?
Well that is without question the progressive mindset er value.
"moral values"
I suppose "moral values" trumps the First Amendment?
Well that is without question the progressive mindset er value.
Islam is NOT an ethnic group! It is a belief system, one that is clearly foolish, harmful and dangerous. Why not deal with the facts rather than cliched hyperbole?Demographics? How is that related to the points raised concerning Islam? And what 'cultural progress' are you referring to?
It seems that they were required to allow space with the precedent being one an Islamic organization used earlier about Israel.How did we get on the first amendment?
Does this group have the right to place ads? Yes. Is the MTA required to give them a forum? No.
Okay we will accept that Islam is a demographic group but what point are you trying to make? Everyone fits into a demographic group of some sort, making it all rather vague.No, that's incorrect. Religious groups are demographic groups. It is indeed kind of an oddity- all the other characteristics that define demographic groups are immutable. But, for whatever reason, everybody has always considered religion to be a demographic group. Presumably because in reality, like 95% of people remain whatever religion they happen to be born into.
The cultural progress of whom? Please try to make yourself clear as I don't want to misread or misquote your intent. Are we still discussing Muslims and the ad campaign?The cultural progress I refer to is, obviously, the rejection of bigotry as stupid and immoral that has occurred over the past 150 years or so. You missed that entirely?
Okay we will accept that Islam is a demographic group but what point are you trying to make? Everyone fits into a demographic group of some sort, making it all rather vague.
The cultural progress of whom? Please try to make yourself clear as I don't want to misread or misquote your intent. Are we still discussing Muslims and the ad campaign?
The most important change- probably of any kind at all- in the past 150 years has been that our species has generally rejected bigotry. We rejected the idea that some demographic groups are superior to other demographic groups. Somehow, you seem not to be aware of that whole plot, which strikes me as very strange.
Bigotry has certainly not disappeared over the last 150 years as we have seen with the Communists, Nazis, Fascists, slave owners and, most recently and on the topic, Muslims attacking Christians, Jews and each other.
You've become incoherent. You should ask your madras for a refund.That's the team you want to be on?
Just as people are taught to hate they can be taught to discontinue their ancients hatreds. Many of the racial, ethnic and religious divides have disappeared and yet many still remain. A broader education free of a animosities, suspicions and mistrust would serve everyone better.Haters are going to keep hating.
It's what they do.
Who is surprised by this?
The goal is not to keep people from hating. The goal is to make them certain that if they act on that hatred in ways that harm other people, they are going to be punished for it, the severity of the punishment increasing with the severity of the harm. If this person had been absolutely certain that within an hour of beheading this poor woman, he would have been seized and beheaded himself, that knowledge would probably have sobered him.
Problem is that their hatreds often overwhelm their feelings of self preservation. We saw that with the 72 virgins beliefs, parents sending out their own children to detonate themselves and other innocents and, of course, the suicide bombers. It will take a generation or three for these irrational hatreds to subside. Until it does we can expect more symbolic beheading, attacks on larger groups by individuals, and perhaps a nuclear attack if Iraq and/or Pakistan take crazy up another notch.The goal is not to keep people from hating. The goal is to make them certain that if they act on that hatred in ways that harm other people, they are going to be punished for it, the severity of the punishment increasing with the severity of the harm. If this person had been absolutely certain that within an hour of beheading this poor woman, he would have been seized and beheaded himself, that knowledge would probably have sobered him.
Really? You think the guy thought he would get away with it?
He got shot, for pete's sake. The guy was obviously crazy.
Problem is that their hatreds often overwhelm their feelings of self preservation. We saw that with the 72 virgins beliefs, parents sending out their own children to detonate themselves and other innocents and, of course, the suicide bombers. It will take a generation or three for these irrational hatreds to subside. Until it does we can expect more symbolic beheading, attacks on larger groups by individuals, and perhaps a nuclear attack if Iraq and/or Pakistan take crazy up another notch.
While all racism is bigotry, not all bigotry is racism. Islam is a religion, not a race, therefore anti-Islamic statements, while they are bigoted, are not racist.
The goal is not to keep people from hating. The goal is to make them certain that if they act on that hatred in ways that harm other people, they are going to be punished for it, the severity of the punishment increasing with the severity of the harm. If this person had been absolutely certain that within an hour of beheading this poor woman, he would have been seized and beheaded himself, that knowledge would probably have sobered him.
Yeah, that don't work. The penalty for theft use to be death. Didn't stop thieves from thieving.
'In a move that is certain to further escalate already stretched racial tensions in America's most cosmopolitan city, some 100 New York City buses will soon carry jarring anti-Islamic posters which feature photos of an ISIS beheading victim, his alleged executioner, Adolf Hitler, declare "Yesterday's moderate [Muslim] is today's headline" and proclaim "It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism" as part of an "educational campaign." According to the NY Daily News, the ads, paid for by flame-throwing blogger Pamela Geller, at a cost of $100,000, are intended as an “education campaign” to warn of the “problem with jihad” and Islamic sharia law, Geller said.'
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/09/arab ads NYC.jpg
My reaction?
What is shocking?
How is this going to cause an increase in racial tensions? Islam isn't a race.
I agree this will never fly, unfortunately.
While all racism is bigotry, not all bigotry is racism. Islam is a religion, not a race, therefore anti-Islamic statements, while they are bigoted, are not racist.
It's bigotry all the same. And most Muslims are Middle Eastern, so it's another aspect of racial bigotry on top of religious bigotry.
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