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Shattering the myth of Vladimir Putin as a strategic genius

Rogue Valley

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Shattering the myth of Vladimir Putin as a strategic genius



In 2013, the Ukrainian people had had enough of Moscow's empty promises and did not want to join Putin's moribund Eurasian Economic Union (Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, and Azerbaijan).

They instead desired membership in the 27 nation European Union economic powerhouse, and a re-orientation away from Russia's autocratic sphere and towards the democratic West.

A grassroots revolutionary movement sprung up - Euromaidan. Putin ordered Vanukovych to begin shooting protesters in downtown Kyiv. Putin gambled on deadly force and lost Ukraine irreperably.
 


I started a similar thread in the Military Section. I just do not see how a country of 144 million can take and hold a country of 44 million whose people still have memories of brutal oppression and government after government kowtowing to them. Especially when they only brought 200,000 troops with which to invade.

This seems like a definitional exercise in folly. This is something that a Tsar or Austrian Emperor would have done in the late 18th Century. Marching an army of 200,000 prettily-uniformed musket-armed soldiers with horses and cannons in tow. And they would have lost.
 
What kind of idiot starts a needless war? This is all because of his sagging approval polling at home. A distraction.

He had nothing to fear from the west. There has been no offensive build up in the west. Merely defensive posturing because of threats like Putin.

The west has repeatedly tried to negotiate with Putin. He is the one who stopped talking and began shooting. Putin is the aggressor.
 
If the protests of the Russian people continue and swell, there may be a reckoning.
 
If the protests of the Russian people continue and swell, there may be a reckoning.

I do hope so. I do not think most Russians would be happy or proud that their beloved son conscripted out of high school came home in a body bag or as a vegetative armless, legless invalid who they have to care for for the rest of their lives just to install a Russian-friendly government in Ukraine.
 
@Rogue Valley

You seem to be well versed on this part of the world; has Putin’s demeanor changed in your opinion? There have been reports that he doesn’t appear stable compared to years past.
 
**** it. Call his bluff. Offer Ukraine NATO membership now.
Who are you suggesting do that?
It isn't that simple. There are a lot of criteria in the NATO charter that have to be met before anyone can become a member. You don't just mail out an invitation with an RSVP. There's already a short list of other countries.
 
You understand, I hope, that it would be a political gesture, since Russia already invaded. Not a process that Brussels would fast-track in a pique of gamesmanship.
 

Shattering the myth of Vladimir Putin as a strategic genius​



Other than Trump - and perhaps a handful of his mindless cult devotees - does anybody really believe that Vlad is a strategic genius? I suspect it will take quite a few more empty heads than that to create a "myth".
 
Putin is probably more like a Tsar than a soviet guy.
 
I hear he has Parkinson's, and that can lead to dementia. So, if that's true then he could be impaired.
I do think some of his old timer pals in there and him want their dying wish of a united Russia before they kick the bucket. If he's going down he doesn't have a lot to lose, and I doubt he cares about any Russian citizens future.

It must be rough blowing up a country where you're relatives lives. Russians have kids going to university there, parents there, aunts, uncles. I don't see the people of Russia wanting this to happen.
 
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