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What we also know is that foreign nationals were paid to do "opposition research" to be used in affecting the 2016 POTUS election outcome. The fact that both sides (political parties?) did this further complicates matters - just how much of that was legally too much is a very important issue.
What some folks seem to be getting upset about is pointing out that "collusion" is a very broad spectrum which may (or may not) include the "smoke" of two entities pursuing a common goal. It seems clear to me that the DNC (via its legal team) did, in fact, use foreign agents (some in Russia) to supply "opposition research" yet many want that ignored while, at the same time, point to Trump (et al) meeting to accept similar help (some from Russians) as being "clearly criminal".
The primary problem I see right now is that there's not a clear and coherent definition of what would or would not be legal in soliciting assistance or accepting unsolicited assistance from foreign nationals regarding political campaign activities for a federal office.
It's clearly illegal to accept money, and that may be the tipping point here - what assistance, if any, was received by a federal level campaign from a foreign source that can be defined as a "donation-in-kind" due to it having a monetary value? Kind of like how the feds use IRS Tax Law to convict gangsters of felonies for not paying taxes on illicit income. If the act of getting assistance isn't illegal, maybe they can demonstrate how that assistance may have had a monetary value that makes it an illegal foreign campaign contribution.
Who knows how this will all turn out. One thing is for sure, IMHO, no political party nor politician nor staffer is immune at this point. The Democratic Party, the GOP, et al, are potential targets of federal prosecution.
The basic outlines of Trump's story have long been familiar and uncontroversial to anyone with open eyes. Trump is morally and intellectually incapable of being president. He has also exploited his office for personal gain, obstructed justice, and colluded with a hostile foreign power. He fired Comey as part of the cover-up. He believes the role of the Attorney General is to protect him from prosecution and investigation. The picture is getting clearer and clearer as time goes on. Everyone who doesn’t get their news from Fox has basically known this for a while.
There was no collaboration between Trump and Russia. If there were, your vaunted FBI would have found it by now. After a year of multiple investigations there is not one shred of evidence. Nice try.... .....not.
In the case of Hillary's email server, there are several new items that have come to light since July 2016.
1. We now know that Comey came to a conclusion before he started an investigation.
2. We now know that Strzok changed the wording in Comey's speech to change it away from gross negligence (criminal) to extremely careless (not criminal).
3. We now know that Huma Abedin sent State Department passwords to an unsecure Yahoo email account...that was subsequently hacked.
4. We now know that Huma Abedin sent classified information to Weiner's computer.
5. We now know that Hillary's foreign national housekeeper has access to Hillary's SCIF and all classified information therein, made hardcopies of classified information at Hillary's order...and the housekeeper had NO security clearance.
So...we have all of the previous evidence and information, NEW evidence of FBI collusion in favor of Hillary and NEW evidence of security violations.
Yeah...I'd say all of this justifies reopening the investigation. Let's just hope they can do it right this time.
Public service announcement: an FBI that can be politically pressured to investigate the President's political rivals is an FBI that can be politically pressured to indict the President's political rivals. This is a new, dark place we've just entered in American history. Remember that our policies, customs and laws are strongly founded in precedent.
I'd have to disagree with that.
Nope. I deal in facts.
You want fantasy? Keep dreaming that there was Russian collusion. That is the fantasy.
Being that this has already been investigated, what New information was present to warrant another investigation?
If she is guilty of something then she should be prosecuted, that goes for any politician, including trump but alas he always has the Pardon Parachute to cover his arse.
"So much stuff" is more than a list (run-on sentence) of topics, without context. It's clear how right-wing news has influenced your opinion. They're the only ones that think that Uranium One is still a story. For everyone else, it's a debunked story.There's been so much stuff exposed in regard to the Obama Administration that shows how they compromised our security. From Clinton and her aide's handling of classified information, to the dirty deal they made with Hamas to get the Iran deal through that has in part added to our opiod crisis not to mention Hamas in South America recruiting members from mosques to enter into the U.S. illegally. I'm reading there is even a new probe that has been launched into the Uranium One deal due to the testimony of a former FBI agent who was under cover for 10 years because of the interest Russia had shown in acquiring uranium worldwide.
Then you have all the security breaches that occurred under the Obama's intelligence agencies. What a fargin mess.
Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
Not exactly what was done, but I am sure you believe it was.It's the investigation of the investigations that is now underway. When you cast your verdict before the trial occurs something has probably already gone awry.
Yes Trump can pardon and Hillary can't. Elections have consequences.
After she swings from the gallows we can all chortle "at this point what difference does it make"
"So much stuff" is more than a list (run-on sentence) of topics, without context. It's clear how right-wing news has influenced your opinion. They're the only ones that think that Uranium One is still a story. For everyone else, it's a debunked story.
Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
The partial and partisan DOJ under Obama swept the Clinton crime cartel under the rug with ease. No one ever figured Hilary would lose the election, so nothing to worry about..
When Trump was elected the Clintons/DNC/Democratic officials turned to the Russian story with all it's might and the left wing MSM's to try and derail any investigations of the DNC or the Clintons.
Rotten to the core Democrat leadership has pulled out all the stops, but the truth shall prevail! The tide is turning fast as the Russian collusion story is out of steam and out of traction. Bold faced lies tend to come back and haunt the tellers...
We need to jail about 20 of the Democrats who colluded with the Clintons to serve some jail time, right along with Bill and Hillary. Until we do, there will be nothing but mockery's of the law made routinely by the left wing Democratic liberals/progressives.
Time to drop the boom on these crimes, and arrest those involved.
The partial and partisan DOJ under Obama swept the Clinton crime cartel under the rug with ease. No one ever figured Hilary would lose the election, so nothing to worry about..
When Trump was elected the Clintons/DNC/Democratic officials turned to the Russian story with all it's might and the left wing MSM's to try and derail any investigations of the DNC or the Clintons.
Rotten to the core Democrat leadership has pulled out all the stops, but the truth shall prevail! The tide is turning fast as the Russian collusion story is out of steam and out of traction. Bold faced lies tend to come back and haunt the tellers...
We need to jail about 20 of the Democrats who colluded with the Clintons to serve some jail time, right along with Bill and Hillary. Until we do, there will be nothing but mockery's of the law made routinely by the left wing Democratic liberals/progressives.
Time to drop the boom on these crimes, and arrest those involved.
Mega Dittos
"So much stuff" is more than a list (run-on sentence) of topics, without context. It's clear how right-wing news has influenced your opinion. They're the only ones that think that Uranium One is still a story. For everyone else, it's a debunked story.
Meanwhile, you ignore that Russia interfered with the 2016 election and it's getting clear that Trump and his mob were complicit.
Let us all know when Hillary gets indicted...or charged with any crime?......LOL
OJ was found not guilty of murder. The guilty often walk free.
Not exactly what was done, but I am sure you believe it was.
I was referring to a Pardon for trump by Pence or Ryan, trump cannot pardon himself. Hillary is not going to the gallows for anything related to this inquiry, just wishful thinking on your part.
We can only dream of Hillary kicking and the end of a rope with that loathsome shrieking voice silenced for good.
I think the constitution does not prohibit a president from pardoning anyone including himself by a strict reading of the Constitution. He cant pardon himself for impeachable offenses but impeachment is only a political judgement that carries no criminal penalties.
The chances of Trump being removed from office are nil. It would take every communist (Democrats and Independents) plus 18 Republicans to do it - My dream is far more realistic than yours.
It is about time.
"Shamed FBI reopens the case against Hillary Clinton..."
Well, pretty apparent it wasn't done properly the first time around, so, yes, it'll have to be revisited.
It may turn out to be the same result, or it may not. We'll have to see what additional the facts, decisions and actions are from this.
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