I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.
What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.
Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.
What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.
Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.
What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.
Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
There are plenty of commercials, television shows and movies where the roles are reversed and there are no firings, lawsuits or protests. What are you talking about? Hell, even in "real life", women who are sexually harassed by men are often blamed for it by critics who say they dress "too provocatively". You're seeing a double standard where there isn't one.Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
Ew... The "pulls his face into her ass" bit made me pull a bit of a face.
It's acceptable largely because men aren't allowed to say they feel grossed out by such behavior, and women are infantilized to the point where they can do pretty much whatever they want sexually without getting the same kind of blow-back men do.
It's a weird combination of things. It is not one sex or the other being insulted. It's both. Men are insulted by being called "sissies" or "faggots" about bringing up unwanted female attention or touch, and this comes from virtually avenues of society. Men's feelings are deligitimized, because men are reduced to their conquests. And also that women are infantilized. The reason why women get alimony even though most of them work, and also get away with things like this, are exactly the same reason. They are deemed too stupid to be responsible for their own actions and lives.
There are plenty of commercials, television shows and movies where the roles are reversed and there are no firings, lawsuits or protests. What are you talking about? Hell, even in "real life", women who are sexually harassed by men are often blamed for it by critics who say they dress "too provocatively". You're seeing a double standard where there isn't one.
Your entire post is based on a false premise.
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.
What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.
Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
I think your poll is a double standard. Why aren't you letting the men equal polling?
There are innate differences in the sexes. Thus different standards. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
Men can vote...
MEN! VOTE!
I am interested in female opinions more than men's though.
Was this an USA commercial or somewhere else? Just curious.
Do you really think that I'm going to spend my time looking for a commercial? Really? If you don't believe me, then don't believe me, but I'm not spending my Sunday night on this ****.What are some of the commercials where men are sexually inappropriate to women in a creepy manner touching them and following them as they try to get away... I will wait all year for your example.
Good question. New Zealand. But I see these in the States too.
Do you really think that I'm going to spend my time looking for a commercial? Really? If you don't believe me, then don't believe me, but I'm not spending my Sunday night on this ****.
First of all it's difficult for me to imagine a man that is opposed to the sexual advances of a woman but if he is it's really more a power issue to me. I don't consider the advances of a man to be harassment (or threatening) unless he can physically overpower me (and I think he might try for some reason) or is in a position of authority (say a boss) and because of that I am unable (without high cost to myself) make him stop. So uninvited advances IMO do not constitute harassment.
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.
What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.
Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
All you have to do is watch the Super Bowl to see how often women are degraded or insulted in commercials.40 years of watching TV unfortunately and I don't remember ever seeing anything comparable.
"but touching leads to sex".
Men can vote...
MEN! VOTE!
I am interested in female opinions more than men's though.
How is it less of a harassment? If you're harassed by another woman of a similar position, is it just not harassment because maybe you could take her in a bar fight? That doesn't make sense. Harassment has to do with the anti-social nature of the behavior, not with whether you could beat them in a duel.
It happens a lot more than I think people realize. I actually struggle to think of any men I know well who don't have an experience that upset them.
The outcome of those situations is variable. As I said in my previous post, men are reduced to their conquests and at risk of social stigma if they refuse. But I have seen men express -- both in my personal life and online -- feeling as though they're being used sexually quite often.
And given that the early reports on the Millennials shows that men are more likely to want a relationship than women, and that women are driving the hook-up market, we shouldn't actually be surprised by that.
It's hard for you to imagine because we're taught to believe that men simply don't have any feelings when it comes to touch and sex. And that is so very deeply untrue.
1. You said it was a commercial but failed to mention what product or message they were trying to sell. 2. New Zealand's headlines are splashed with sexual harassment charges against it's Prime Minister and other government officials. Could it have anything to do with that? 3. Or did you expect everyone to judge a commercial they've never seen simply based on your dubious interpretation of it?
First of all please try not to pigeon hole me into some narrow category because you are so eager to feed your outrage over the injustices men have been dealt. I was speaking about my own perspective. I have had men make advances at me all my life that were uninvited but I don't feel like they were harassing me I feel like they were trying to get laid. Which is what men do and luckily, now, some women can be just as inappropriate if they want to. There is nothing innately abusive about making an aggressive advance. It tacky and sloppy and doesn't usually work and the aggressor ends up looking like a dolt but in and of itself I don't thing of the advance as harassment. It's harrasment when I make it clear that I am not interested and they try in some way to force the issue.
Others may feel differently. That's fine.
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