Serious Reasons Not To Get Vaccinated Please

[Lursa]

What was the title of the last book on epidemiology or virology that you read? I recommend 'The Coming Plague' by Laurie Garret. Try it, you might actually learn something for once in your life.

Excellent book, one of my all-time favorites. Great intro to epidemiology, still relevant, easy to read.

And not about doomsday, despite a kneejerk assumption by another who has no idea. Typical post of his tho, making declarations about something he knows nothing about.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

The "science" followed for covid-19 was exactly same the Spanish flu because they wanted - and got - the same result for the astronomical and endlessly growing wealth and power it brings to the already most powerful and richest people and corporations on earth.

I don't care about all the hype and sensationalizing by our media and politicizing by our government. The big problem is they are down playing colds and the flu. They are giving the false impression that colds and the flu are safe. The fact is that these colds and flu viruses which are not deadly because we have adapted to them can and will become deadly from time to time. If we don't take these viruses seriously the day will come when this pandemic is going to seem like a minor warning compared to what can havoc they can unleash. I hear this same nonsense that the common cold is nothing to worry about but SARS, MERS, H1N1, covid19, etc. are the danger. Every one of these deadly viruses are cold and flu viruses that have become deadly. This will happen again in the future. We can go can continue to not worry about colds and the flu until the next deadly outbreak happens or we can give these viruses the respect and research they deserve. I want my tax money to be spent here researching these diseases by our young bright minds. To hell with WHO and giving the money to China and putting the lives of the American people in the Chinese governments hands.

 

[Paradoxical]

LMAO, what makes you think I wanted to debate with you? You busted into a conversation with someone else and didnt even address what was in my post.

Go beg for attention elsewhere.

LOL. Aren't you the poster who pointed out my "like" ratio to total posts? I come here for amusement and you provide that.

 

[Lursa]

LOL. Aren't you the poster who pointed out my "like" ratio to total posts? I

Nope, wrong again!

come here for amusement and you provide that.

Yer welcome! It's not like I thought you'd absorb any information.

 

[Paradoxical]

Nope, wrong again!


Yer welcome! It's not like I thought you'd absorb any information.

I am just checking. Whoever it was is the biggest idiot in the world.

 

[holbritter]

Actually, there were 2 studies regarding mRNA studies that determined the mRNA vaccines are not only safe for pregnant women …. They also have the potential to benefit the baby.

From the following :


Overall, both studies show that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are safe and effective in pregnancy, with the potential to benefit both mother and baby. Pregnant women also are more likely than women who aren’t pregnant to become severely ill should they become infected with this devastating coronavirus [3].

While pregnant women are urged to consult with their obstetrician about vaccination, growing evidence suggests that the best way for women during pregnancy or while breastfeeding to protect themselves and their families against COVID-19 is to roll up their sleeves and get either one of the mRNA vaccines now authorized for emergency use.

References:

[1] Immunogenicity of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines in pregnant and lactating women. Collier AY, McMahan K, Yu J, Tostanoski LH, Aguayo R, Ansel J, Chandrashekar A, Patel S, Apraku Bondzie E, Sellers D, Barrett J, Sanborn O, Wan H, Chang A, Anioke T, Nkolola J, Bradshaw C, Jacob-Dolan C, Feldman J, Gebre M, Borducchi EN, Liu J, Schmidt AG, Suscovich T, Linde C, Alter G, Hacker MR, Barouch DH. JAMA. 2021 May 13.

[2] Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) vaccination in pregnancy: Measures of immunity and placental histopathology. Shanes ED, Otero S, Mithal LB, Mupanomunda CA, Miller ES, Goldstein JA. Obstet Gynecol. 2021 May 11.

[3] COVID-19 vaccines while pregnant or breastfeeding. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Studies Confirm COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Safe, Effective for Pregnant Women

Clinical trials have shown that the available COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S. are remarkably effective in protecting those age 12 and up against infection by the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. The expectati…

directorsblog.nih.gov

Well, the woman I'm speaking of was told by her obstetrician to not get the vaccine now. She is trusting her doctor.

 

[TheParser]

I would really like to know people's serious reasons why they are not getting the vaccine.

1. I like the serious and civil tone of your OP. So I am participating in your thread.

2. I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I have not yet gotten vaccinated.

a. A few months ago, I made an appointment but canceled it after I read the possible side effects.

3. I have just listened today to Dr. Kelly Victory, whom some people consider a quack. She is also joining President Trump in his lawsuit against Big Tech. I guess that she is concerned by what she feels is censorship regarding the pandemic.

4. This is what I heard from her today.

a. In the 1970s, there was the swine flu vaccine. I rushed to take it. I had some unpleasant side effects that I have forgotten. Dr. Victory says that the vaccine was withdrawn after 25 people died presumably of it. She says that 7,000 people have officially died of COVID vaccine side effects but she thinks that the actual number may be 70,000.


b. She says that the current vaccines are experimental. She claims that "many" scientists have urged the FDA not to give official approval to them until there is much more research about the possible side effects.

5. Even a quick glance at the posts at this website shows that the vast majority feel that taking the vaccine should be a given for everyone and that anyone who does not is either stupid or a traitor or both.

a. In the media, we have read stories about anti-vaxxers who have recanted after they or their loved ones got terribly ill or even died.

6. Dr. Victory would probably want me to get the vaccine because she understands that the vulnerable (I am 84) should, but she feels that the vaccine may not be necessary for everyone.

7. I assume that more people will get vaccinated as the pressure mounts on them (for example, being vaccinated is being required for many jobs and entrance to various venues).

 

[Crunchtime]

If adults act like adults until we have data for younger kids, we'll probably be ok. Unfortunately, a bunch of middle aged and old people choose to be anti-vax imbeciles.

Mod This guy is calling old people imbeciles. I've gotten three warnings for name calling. Being called an imbecile is very insulting, and I'm 73 years old.

 

[Crunchtime]

1. I like the serious and civil tone of your OP. So I am participating in your thread.

2. I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I have not yet gotten vaccinated.

a. A few months ago, I made an appointment but canceled it after I read the possible side effects.

3. I have just listened today to Dr. Kelly Victory, whom some people consider a quack. She is also joining President Trump in his lawsuit against Big Tech. I guess that she is concerned by what she feels is censorship regarding the pandemic.

4. This is what I heard from her today.

a. In the 1970s, there was the swine flu vaccine. I rushed to take it. I had some unpleasant side effects that I have forgotten. Dr. Victory says that the vaccine was withdrawn after 25 people died presumably of it. She says that 7,000 people have officially died of COVID vaccine side effects but she thinks that the actual number may be 70,000.


b. She says that the current vaccines are experimental. She claims that "many" scientists have urged the FDA not to give official approval to them until there is much more research about the possible side effects.

5. Even a quick glance at the posts at this website shows that the vast majority feel that taking the vaccine should be a given for everyone and that anyone who does not is either stupid or a traitor or both.

a. In the media, we have read stories about anti-vaxxers who have recanted after they or their loved ones got terribly ill or even died.

6. Dr. Victory would probably want me to get the vaccine because she understands that the vulnerable (I am 84) should, but she feels that the vaccine may not be necessary for everyone.

7. I assume that more people will get vaccinated as the pressure mounts on them (for example, being vaccinated is being required for many jobs and entrance to various venues).

My wife were making plans to get it until I read this. Now I have second thoughts again. My son is a pharmacist (oncology) and his wife is a math teacher. All four of us have had the virus, but we had mild to medium symptoms. No hospitalization. None of us has gotten the vaccine. My son is getting some pressure at work. My wife and I fly frequently. We also enter places where there are large groups of people. I'm 73 and have chronic lung congestion. Not extreme but noticeable. My wife is 61. Diabetic with high blood pressure. We have resisted the whole mess because of the politics, and the fact that it's experimental Too many people dying, and you can't trust the government. Biden is a chronic liar, and that's well documented.

 

[Crunchtime]

Gee, I wonder what’s making the risk of dying from covid lower and lower ever day.

You being part of a herd obviously believe in "herd immunity".

 

[TheParser]

My wife were making plans to get it until I read this. Now I have second thoughts again.

I am in big trouble.

No doubt some members will feel that my post should be deleted if it in any way gave second thoughts to any reader.

I have never been to Facebook or Twitter, but maybe my post would be banned there.

I hope that you and your wife make the best decision, and -- of course -- I wish both of you the very best.

 

[SarahSun]

1. I like the serious and civil tone of your OP. So I am participating in your thread.

2. I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I have not yet gotten vaccinated.

a. A few months ago, I made an appointment but canceled it after I read the possible side effects.

3. I have just listened today to Dr. Kelly Victory, whom some people consider a quack. She is also joining President Trump in his lawsuit against Big Tech. I guess that she is concerned by what she feels is censorship regarding the pandemic.

4. This is what I heard from her today.

a. In the 1970s, there was the swine flu vaccine. I rushed to take it. I had some unpleasant side effects that I have forgotten. Dr. Victory says that the vaccine was withdrawn after 25 people died presumably of it. She says that 7,000 people have officially died of COVID vaccine side effects but she thinks that the actual number may be 70,000.


b. She says that the current vaccines are experimental. She claims that "many" scientists have urged the FDA not to give official approval to them until there is much more research about the possible side effects.

5. Even a quick glance at the posts at this website shows that the vast majority feel that taking the vaccine should be a given for everyone and that anyone who does not is either stupid or a traitor or both.

a. In the media, we have read stories about anti-vaxxers who have recanted after they or their loved ones got terribly ill or even died.

6. Dr. Victory would probably want me to get the vaccine because she understands that the vulnerable (I am 84) should, but she feels that the vaccine may not be necessary for everyone.

7. I assume that more people will get vaccinated as the pressure mounts on them (for example, being vaccinated is being required for many jobs and entrance to various venues).

I got vaccinated but there are enogh bad outcomes to make a person cautious.

 

[Crunchtime]

I am in big trouble.

No doubt some members will feel that my post should be deleted if it in any way gave second thoughts to any reader.

I have never been to Facebook or Twitter, but maybe my post would be banned there.

I hope that you and your wife make the best decision, and -- of course -- I wish both of you the very best.

You're fine. I appreciate your viewpoints. Thanks for your well wishes. Our lives are in Gods hands.

 

[TheParser]

I got vaccinated but there are enogh bad outcomes to make a person cautious.

I think that your comment will upset a lot of people.

I harbor no anger against those who are hopping angry with the unvaccinated.

I think that I understand their reasoning: This is such a horrible situation that we all should throw caution to the wind.

I am 84 and I have never been put in such a situation before. (I do not get vaccinated for the flu or pneumonia, either. I understand that maybe I should.)

 

[SarahSun]

I think that your comment will upset a lot of people.

I harbor no anger against those who are hopping angry with the unvaccinated.

I think that I understand their reasoning: This is such a horrible situation that we all should throw caution to the wind.

I am 84 and I have never been put in such a situation before. (I do not get vaccinated for the flu or pneumonia, either. I understand that maybe I should.)

Im not upset at all with the unvaccinated. I hang out with them. They can choose whats best for them.

 

[Threegoofs]

Yo

My wife were making plans to get it until I read this. Now I have second thoughts again. My son is a pharmacist (oncology) and his wife is a math teacher. All four of us have had the virus, but we had mild to medium symptoms. No hospitalization. None of us has gotten the vaccine. My son is getting some pressure at work. My wife and I fly frequently. We also enter places where there are large groups of people. I'm 73 and have chronic lung congestion. Not extreme but noticeable. My wife is 61. Diabetic with high blood pressure. We have resisted the whole mess because of the politics, and the fact that it's experimental Too many people dying, and you can't trust the government. Biden is a chronic liar, and that's well documented.

Your son is a pharmacist and isn’t vaccinated?

I feel shame for my profession. It’s been diluted beyond belief.

 

[Threegoofs]

Im not upset at all with the unvaccinated. I hang out with them. They can choose whats best for them.

They obviously can’t choose what’s best for them if they are avoiding vaccination.

 

[prometeus]

My wife were making plans to get it until I read this. Now I have second thoughts again. My son is a pharmacist (oncology) and his wife is a math teacher. All four of us have had the virus, but we had mild to medium symptoms. No hospitalization. None of us has gotten the vaccine. My son is getting some pressure at work. My wife and I fly frequently. We also enter places where there are large groups of people. I'm 73 and have chronic lung congestion. Not extreme but noticeable. My wife is 61. Diabetic with high blood pressure. We have resisted the whole mess because of the politics, and the fact that it's experimental Too many people dying, and you can't trust the government. Biden is a chronic liar, and that's well documented.

Well you can always rely on Fox at least you trust them.

 

[Ethel2]

1. I like the serious and civil tone of your OP. So I am participating in your thread.

2. I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I have not yet gotten vaccinated.

a. A few months ago, I made an appointment but canceled it after I read the possible side effects.

3. I have just listened today to Dr. Kelly Victory, whom some people consider a quack. She is also joining President Trump in his lawsuit against Big Tech. I guess that she is concerned by what she feels is censorship regarding the pandemic.

4. This is what I heard from her today.

a. In the 1970s, there was the swine flu vaccine. I rushed to take it. I had some unpleasant side effects that I have forgotten. Dr. Victory says that the vaccine was withdrawn after 25 people died presumably of it. She says that 7,000 people have officially died of COVID vaccine side effects but she thinks that the actual number may be 70,000.


b. She says that the current vaccines are experimental. She claims that "many" scientists have urged the FDA not to give official approval to them until there is much more research about the possible side effects.

5. Even a quick glance at the posts at this website shows that the vast majority feel that taking the vaccine should be a given for everyone and that anyone who does not is either stupid or a traitor or both.

a. In the media, we have read stories about anti-vaxxers who have recanted after they or their loved ones got terribly ill or even died.

6. Dr. Victory would probably want me to get the vaccine because she understands that the vulnerable (I am 84) should, but she feels that the vaccine may not be necessary for everyone.

7. I assume that more people will get vaccinated as the pressure mounts on them (for example, being vaccinated is being required for many jobs and entrance to various venues).

If you are old and frail and you don't think you can handle diarrhea or a low grade fever then you should not be vaccinated IMO. If you aren't in any of those categories then if you over 70 and get infected the risk of dying from the virus is very high.
There have been ZERO deaths from the mRNA vaccines if you are not elderly and frail. Thats ................ZERO. There haven't even been any serious side effects that are long lasting. The cardiac side effects people recover from them in time.
After millions of doses administered its no longer "experimental".
Look, there is no free lunch. No medicine is completely free of side effects.
Get your vaccine. Get protected.

 

[Ethel2]

I got vaccinated but there are enogh bad outcomes to make a person cautious.

What "bad outcomes"? If you are not over 70 and frail enough so that a bout of diarrhea or low grade fever will kill you, or if you are not under 30 and unwilling to chance reversible myocarditis (all affected patients have recovered so far-and the chance of getting this is .004%, give or take) then what bad outcomes are you referring to? These vaccines are very safe, not totally safe, nothing is totally safe.
You did the right thing both for you and for the society in which you live.

 

[SarahSun]

What "bad outcomes"? If you are not over 70 and frail enough so that a bout of diarrhea or low grade fever will kill you, or if you are not under 30 and unwilling to chance reversible myocarditis (all affected patients have recovered so far-and the chance of getting this is .004%, give or take) then what bad outcomes are you referring to? These vaccines are very safe, not totally safe, nothing is totally safe.
You did the right thing both for you and for the society in which you live.

People see bad outcomes differently. They werent a big deal tome, they might be for others.

 

[Ethel2]

People see bad outcomes differently. They werent a big deal tome, they might be for others.

Well which ones are you referring to?

 

[SarahSun]

Well which ones are you referring to?

People in general. I have one friend who is afraid of shots.

 

[notquiteright]

People see bad outcomes differently. They werent a big deal tome, they might be for others.

A wise woman once said... NEVER read the possible side effects online. Damn near every drug we have lists 'horrible' side effects. The odds of such effects- especially if you haven't had bad reactions to medications- are lower than winning the lottery three times...

I had a bad reaction to Prozac prescribed for PTSD. That doesn't stop vaccines or using a different drug for my issues. I guess it depends on the risks you have taken in the past on how you view risks in the present and future...

At my age I'm not going to jump out of a perfectly good aircraft, but I won't discourage a younger person from taking that leap...

 

[SarahSun]

A wise woman once said... NEVER read the possible side effects online. Damn near every drug we have lists 'horrible' side effects. The odds of such effects- especially if you haven't had bad reactions to medications- are lower than winning the lottery three times...

I had a bad reaction to Prozac prescribed for PTSD. That doesn't stop vaccines or using a different drug for my issues. I guess it depends on the risks you have taken in the past on how you view risks in the present and future...

At my age I'm not going to jump out of a perfectly good aircraft, but I won't discourage a younger person from taking that leap...

Have you ever seen a drug commercial on TV? half the commercial is saying how many side effects they have, lol