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Serious Reasons Not To Get Vaccinated Please

PIPEWRENCH said:
I am with you on that. However is the vaccine any safer than cigarettes? How can we be sure the doctors who say the vaccine is safe are not the same ones who worked for the cigarette companies. Clearly if given enough money anything becomes true.
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Define Safe...
 
beefheart said:
Please back up your silly assertion with some facts instead of hyperbolic bullshit.
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Are you kidding me. You really have no clue about the research and doctors who worked for the cigarette companies declaring cigarettes were safe. Oh well.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Safe is falling off a 40' ladder as long as it is lying flat on the ground.
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The ladder might have jagged pieces that are rusted... sounds dangerous.
 
donhughesmusic said:
I would really like to know people's serious reasons why they are not getting the vaccine. EVEN TRUMP GOT THE VACCINE!

If you don't trust the government or that the vaccine is safe, remember that.
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Trump the Terrorist was vaccinated secretly after suffering covid himself. There is a devil in the details.
 
jonny5 said:
Are you saying we should trust trump?

My reason is the risk of getting covid is low and dying from covid even lower. And getting lower every day. So why inject something with no long term studies that only has emergency approval? Especially when my legal rights are limited. If they work and everyone else wants to get then, win win for me.
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If your risk of getting covid was low, nobody would get sick and die from it except those with weak immune systems.

So what if no studies were long term? Thousands of people were successfully vaccinated in every Moderna, Pfizer, BioNTech, and AstraZeneca study. If your risk was not extremely high, none of those companies would have been urged to rush through and get a drug approved by the FDA for emergency use in less than a year.
 
tshade said:
Yes---they are different risks, BUT the vaccine is less risk to both. Long term ??------who can say what the long term effect of ANYTHING is??? But I can tell you this: the long term effect of not listening to science is likely to cause you trouble, healthwise that you probably wouldn't have experienced had you been rational. Go with the logic of science, not the rumors...
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Plenty of pregnant women chose to listen to science and take Thalidomide. Turned out science was wrong. Just saying science is NOT always right, nor does it remain static.

William McBride, an Australian obstetrician, was hailed as a whistle-blowing visionary in 1961 when he sounded a warning about the dangers of thalidomide, a sedative prescribed for anxiety and morning sickness. In a letter to the journal The Lancet, McBride suggested that the drug was causing infants to be born with severe limb deformities.

Although McBride's hypothesis was based on limited anecdotal observations, subsequent studies proved him right. Thalidomide was removed from the market, and the drug became almost synonymous with pharmaceutical malfeasance.
www.discovermagazine.com

20 of the Greatest Blunders in Science in the Last 20 Years

What were they thinking?
www.discovermagazine.com www.discovermagazine.com

The truth of the matter is that "health facts" can change over time. Twenty years ago, stress and certain personality traits were considered "ulcer causing". For decades, medical students were told that acid caused ulcers. "No acid, no ulcer" claimed many professors. Hence numerous medications and antacids were developed to either neutralize or decrease acid in the stomach. In the past ten years, scientists found that factors that weaken the inner stomach lining (cigarettes and arthritis medications) may be more important than stress and acid in causing ulcers. Now scientists have discovered that in many instances, ulcer is an infectious disease. This infection is caused by a bacteria H.pylori that can be found in stomachs of some half of the adult world population! Instead of fighting acids, medical scientists are now busy developing antibiotic combinations to treat ulcers.
www.medicinenet.com

Health Facts Change Over Time

Health Facts Change Over Time
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beefheart said:
Ignorance and stupidity are never excuses.

Nor is the ignorant adherence to right wing dogmas and conspiracy theories.

If you don't get a vaccine, you are a moron, plain and simple.
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Please don't call a young pregnant woman a moron because she will not take the risk. That's unfair and just wrong. Science HAS been known to be wrong (see my previous post).
 
jonny5 said:
Are you saying we should trust trump?

My reason is the risk of getting covid is low and dying from covid even lower. And getting lower every day. So why inject something with no long term studies that only has emergency approval? Especially when my legal rights are limited. If they work and everyone else wants to get then, win win for me.
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Long-term studies take years. Is another couple of years of lockdowns, masks, and social distancing a better option in your opinion?

Taking the vaccine helps towards herd immunity and helps those who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons. Having the vaccine reduces the viral load you pass on to others.
 
Because you choose not to be vaccinated! In a non authoritarian society that should be sufficient reason!
 
Rawley said:
They are still experimental drugs. No one knows what the long term effects of the vaccines will be.
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Nobody knew what the long-term effects, if any, of the smallpox vaccine were when it was first developed. Result? Smallpox eradicated via mass vaccination programmes.
www.webmd.com

Side Effects of the Smallpox Vaccine

Learn more about the potential side effects of the smallpox vaccine.
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For those of you who don't know emergency approval" doesn't mean that the vaccine wasn't sufficiently tested, it means that much of the red tape requirements were dropped.

But also consider this...if it is as dangerous as you think it is, then why was it given to Trump?
 
donhughesmusic said:
I would really like to know people's serious reasons why they are not getting the vaccine. EVEN TRUMP GOT THE VACCINE!

If you don't trust the government or that the vaccine is safe, remember that.
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To spite the dems of course and as usual all they are really doing is spiting themselves. Most of the new cases are basically among folks who have not been vaccinated. Karma baby.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Define Safe...
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Anything conservatives are terrified of. And they have the gall to call the opposition 'snowflakes'! There's a tiny chance you'll get an adverse reaction from a life-saving vaccine, so where are these tough, manly American conservatives who fear nothing?
 
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Mongidig said:
Only chicken shits won’t get the vaccine.

You can’t live your life in fear. Isn’t that what you tough guy’s were saying during the pandemic?
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A man made vaccine you can choose to get vs a natural virus you cant choose poses a lot different risks.
 
bongsaway said:
To spite the dems of course and as usual all they are really doing is spiting themselves. Most of the new cases are basically among folks who have not been vaccinated. Karma baby.
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I would not call it Karma. Its there choice, they will take the risk. However they will be the first ones to moan when they are denied entry or service for failure to provide proof of vaccine. A buisness is well with in there right to do so, it protects there employees and customers.
 
Aristaeus said:
Long-term studies take years. Is another couple of years of lockdowns, masks, and social distancing a better option in your opinion?

Taking the vaccine helps towards herd immunity and helps those who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons. Having the vaccine reduces the viral load you pass on to others.
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We dont need another couple year of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. We havent even needed the last year. There was no vaccine for the spanish flu, or many other things. Theres 100,000 viruses out there and the vaccine wont even wipe out covid, nor will immunity last forever. Until the drugs go through a real process, and have real liabilities, we should rely on common sense.
 
jonny5 said:
We dont need another couple year of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. We havent even needed the last year. There was no vaccine for the spanish flu, or many other things. Theres 100,000 viruses out there and the vaccine wont even wipe out covid, nor will immunity last forever. Until the drugs go through a real process, and have real liabilities, we should rely on common sense.
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You do know there were lockdowns and social distancing during the Spanish flu?
 
Aristaeus said:
You do know there were lockdowns and social distancing during the Spanish flu?
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Not quite the same, and it was way worse because they didnt have treatments. We have treatments, though the govt and media are trying their hardest to supress them, and instead push the vaccine.
 
jonny5 said:
Not quite the same, and it was way worse because they didnt have treatments. We have treatments, though the govt and media are trying their hardest to supress them, and instead push the vaccine.
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Yeah, the conspiracy theory forum is that way ->
 
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