September 11th conspiracy theories

[naptowntruthseeker]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm

The really scary thing is,


Home Land security = Police State Mechanism

New Laws in the Works, are...

Patriot Act: Old school now, Police and government officials do not need warrants to enter homes now, and can seize anything in your house, and not tell you they were there for 60 days. Also ambiguous language could allow for secret juryless trials and even executions for supposed "Terrorists". The definition of a terrorist as shown in the Patriot Act is one who commits "Any act that endangers human life, IN VIOLATION WITH ANY FEDERAL OR STATE LAW" So Jay walkers and pot dealers are terroist too. The Patriot Act has been used on many "domestic terrorists" for crimes such as being a gang member to writing a story here are some of the many examples, of new laws designateing all American citizens as enemeis of the state.




Pot dealears are terrorists now.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/loca...uggling29m.html
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/349/creep.shtml
http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/V...patriot20040805
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/007442.html

People who write storries about Zombies, are terrorists too,
http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=2989614&nav=EQlpWjof
http://www.paxtonland.com/archives/2005/03/002907.php
http://minorkey.deviantart.com/journal/4729752/


Gang members are terrorists too
http://www.newstarget.com/003554.html
http://www.terroranalysis.com/story/107777.html
http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/12/30/23170/828

Who else?
People who own Toy Stores are being visited by Home Land Security, why would they do that?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=206591
http://www.stupidsecurity.com/article.pl?s...238&mode=thread
http://www.stupidsecurity.com/article.pl?s...238&mode=thread

Photographers have been arrested under the Patriot Act
http://grep.law.harvard.edu/article.pl?sid...247&mode=thread

FBI says Patriot Act used in Vegas strip club corruption probe
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/200...s/22521283.html
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/p...ptionprobe.html
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../515818511.html
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3540572/
http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2003111407.html

 

[naptowntruthseeker]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Anti-terror laws increasingly used against common criminals
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1259EDT0480.DTL

Shopkeeper deported from South Carolina under PATRIOT Act killed in Pakistan
http://www.unknownnews.net/030929dead.html

And there's even more examples of this here, I don't feel the need to post
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/octob...4patriotact.htm


National ID cards, are also on the agenda which contain name, address the usual things, but also a finger and a retinal print, also rumors are circulating about a possible tracking chip inside of them. Homeland security had a fetish w/ RFID technology, and may use it to track us all w/ it through are cards.

We have the National all Prescriptions reporting act, which makes all of your medical drug information accessible by Federal agencies, all of them in fact since their all allowed sharing information now.

And the possible enactment of mandatory psychological testing for children and prescribing drugs without the parents consent.
There are also talks of extending the program to the entire population. (Note: The Forced psychological testing bill has already been passed, search “new freedom initiative” for more info)

AND the mother of them all of course, the Patriot Act II, while the first Patriot Act is just a destruction first, third, fourth and fifth amendments, Patriot Act II is a carbon copy of the powers that Hitler and Julius Caesar gave themselves
Patriot Act II creates an expanded definition for domestic terrorism, And it allows any terrorism act to result in the death penalty, allows federal access to your bank, educational, and financial records, and makes conspiracy to commit terror a crime with out endangering any life what so ever. And amazingly makes information gathering illegal, in fact this post right here would go under the heading of "Info Terrorism"

Patriot act II is enormously unpopular, and received massive amounts of bad press, so it's being passed in smaller increments, 10% of it has already been passed as HR2417, which allows for the pulling of all Financial and Medical transcripts.

"Strengthening Patriot Act I is code for passing Patriot Act 2."
There trying to do this now.

 

[naptowntruthseeker]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Summary:


911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

911 Documentaries

http://conspiracyvideos.com/site/e107_plugins/custompages/streaming.php

Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)

Windows Media Player:
Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

Stream:

Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

911- The Road To Tyranny

Paineful Deceptions
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda)

The Masters of terror
2:00:09
http://thewebfairy.com/video/collected/Mas...ror_128KBps.wmv

911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart1.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart2.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart3.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart4.wmv

Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

Illuminazi 9-11
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

The Microchip
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

Free ebooks

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf
Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson
A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy
Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper
Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper


A **** load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here

 

[ghost]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Expose it, write your congress and state representatives, post in forums, make webpages and blogs, talk to friends and family or anyone who will listen. The man who made that movie I posted about allows people to make copys of any of his documentarys and use them for educational porposes, or just to give away for free. This website http://reopen911.org/index.htm has a petition people can sign calling for a real independant investigation. They are also giving out free dvds to anyone who wants one that can be copied and distributed as well. There are lawsuits that can be supported by signing a petition on this site. http://www.911forthetruth.com/
There are action alert sign ups on these sites. http://septembereleventh.org/ http://www.911truth.org/ http://ny911truth.org/
Yet another petition can be found here. http://justicefor911.org/
That should get you started.

Expose un fanctual evidence? And even so do you think the goverment will let you? They will shut you down before you even got close. But truthfully, I dont think it was set up. Everyone think ever tragedy that happens in america is a set up.

 

[naptowntruthseeker]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Props to the creator of the previous 9 post thread Sub-Zer0 of...

The Illuminatus Report:

Monday 6:00 pm eastern time,
http://wxou.oakland.edu:8000/listen.pls

 

[nkgupta80]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

I don't know if 911 was a setup, but the official story does have loopholes. I mean seriously, I think about it rationally. Isn't it pretty depressing that a few men took over a whole airplane with box cutters. I just don't buy it.

 

[tr1414]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

ok guys... time to take off you tin-foil hats & get back to the real world. WAKE UP! Only one group of people are to blame for 9/11 & that's the MUSLIM's that did it!

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Good lord people. Okay I won't try to play to your absurd notions. The "Core" was protected by two layers of sheet rock. You gonna tell me those planes didn't penetrate any of that and did not set fire in there also? In both towers multiple floors were on fire. Wakening the structural steel. Little poofs of smoke. Classic. I'll be back. If I can stomach your disillusioned thoughts. Planes full of fuel, get it?

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

ok guys... time to take off you tin-foil hats & get back to the real world. WAKE UP! Only one group of people are to blame for 9/11 & that's the MUSLIM's that did it!

Of course, but it's a little hobby of mine shooting these theories down.

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Teacher

What’s the problem? If your position is sound, you’ll be able to explain it to anybody.

I asked for your professional experience in life because you can't grasp the simplest of mechanical ideas. I would venture you have trouble changing a tire.

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Naptowntruthseeker, Didga, arussian.

I have already explained the how and why the towers collapsed. I lay it all out in this thread. Not links or quotes. My thoughts. As learned from the simplest of evidence and my professional background. I ask time and time again to for you morons to find errors in my explanation. You never do, you guys just post more links. It all there. Start at #103. #199 is a little about tower #7 I think. All your answers are there. I cite my relevant qualifications. Why don't you. Having a keyboard don't cut the mustard. No one has been able to poke holes in my posts. Rather you ignore them and try different tacks. Why is that? Post links and pictures all you want. An coincidence here or there does not fell towers. Planes full of savages does. Get your facts right. One of you has said you spent 2 weeks on this? Well I've spent 5 years. I've heard all your pathetic theories. It's all in this thread.


I challenge you to find problems with my posted explanation. But you can't, can you.

 

[naptowntruthseeker]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Corruption Exposers VS. Coincidence Theorists

So "Teacher" are you a Coincidence Theorist or the ostrich? You act like what people have presented here are just little fringe stories put together to make up a theory. That is just not the case, we have presented an ass load of evidence. The horrible nature of this content and your preconceived notions of the world blind you to the truth. You talk about credentials and yet ignore those pesky links that show people with credentials that are far more relevant and impressive than yours who know what the truth is about 911. I'll spare you the links again! You wanna know my credentials, I'll tell you this. I am not a sheep like you, I am a true patriot. I have an open mind and yet a critical eye, common sense and an endless thirst for knowledge. I'm a factory worker, student, tour guide, webmaster and an American those are my credentials. I'm not going to run around in circles with you all day so spare me the where is nap posts, see I won BS. I'll check back in due time just to see you! Your a very condescending person and you believe what you believe, thats why others on here gave up running in circles with you, I think. It wasn't because you proved them wrong.

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Hey Nappy, way to disprove my explanation. Your looking real smart now. Tell me the one about the ostrich again. I've explained the whole thing. You can't find one error that's why you revert to name calling. Good one sport. Way to bolster your case.

 

[Didga]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

The visual argument for the controlled demolition of world trade center building number 7 goes something like this:

This was obviously a controlled demolition with a clear crimp in the central column.

As buildings have burnt for many hours with larger fires

And never in history collapsed before, they end up looking like this.

And not like the remains of world trade center building number 7 after its controlled demolition.

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Oh good, more pictures. Still haven't found holes in my explanation eh?

 

[nkgupta80]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

look i dunno abotu these conspiracy theories or anything. This whole thing about it being planned seems too contrived and hokey. But **** if you think rationally, its relaly hard to believe that a few muslims took over planes with freakin box cutters, and then with amazing skill, maneuvered these massive planes into the towers. And the way the buildings crashed is pretty phenomenal from a physics point of view. Seriosuly, the terrorists had really outdone themselves in being able to make those two towers crash in such a surgical manner.

 

[Didga]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Frankly teacher I believe your explanations are out of a pure denial reaction. People impose upon themselves a set of established norms or a 'consensus reality'. Anyone that wishes to take a different line, a different version of the truth or stand out too much is likely come into critisim. This a self-policing policy that human populations have conditioned into their societies (we have all experienced it at work sometime). The self-policing policy is then further multiplied by the mainstream media which all carries the same line and establishes the norms.

The first reaction to a person proposing a different version of the truth is denial. Possibly accompanied by quite detailed and elaborate arguments while still dismissing the obvious evidence. The next reaction is too label the person proposing the alternative version of the truth as "mad", "wacky" or perhaps just insult them. This is a pattern that your posts do follow teacher.

Unfortunately the self-policing policy of the herd mentality needs its policemen to work. At least one is present on almost every forum.

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Frankly teacher I believe your explanations are out of a pure denial reaction.

Frankly Didga, it's been a long standing interest of mine before joining this site. If you had read ALL my posts on this thread you wouldn't have said that. If you had read them you would see where my proffesion gave me interest and insight. I'm a tool and science gut. I like to UNDERSTAND why things happen.

People impose upon themselves a set of established norms or a 'consensus reality'.

Don't be projecting YOUR shortcomings on ME. And don't you damn sure be trying to get all Oprah in my head.

Anyone that wishes to take a different line, a different version of the truth or stand out too much is likely come into critisim.

Science is the only fuc*king line I take. Half baked theories are fine for the Lockness monster, bigfoot and aliens, but not where the security of my nation goes.

This a self-policing policy that human populations have conditioned into their societies (we have all experienced it at work sometime).

I'm something of a maverick and I work for myself partly for the same reason. Doesn't apply to me.

The self-policing policy is then further multiplied by the mainstream media which all carries the same line and establishes the norms.

The only thing I got from the media is film and blueprints. I did the rest my damn self.

The first reaction to a person proposing a different version of the truth is denial.

There are not "different versions" of the "truth". Just science, plain, simple, and easily understood by me. I've tried to put it into laymens terms.

Possibly accompanied by quite detailed and elaborate arguments while still dismissing the obvious evidence.

Here we go. Planes hitting a building and immeadiatly compromising much of the structure and fire suppresion systems, followed by stucture rigidity compromising heat is not "elaborate". At least not to my massive brain.

The next reaction is too label the person proposing the alternative version of the truth as "mad", "wacky" or perhaps just insult them.

They ARE mad and wacky. Not my fault for pointing out the truth.

This is a pattern that your posts do follow teacher.

The pattern I follow is to read their bullshit, shoot it full of holes in the seconds it takes me to figure out their inadaquicies, and go on to the next fool.

Unfortunately the self-policing policy of the herd mentality needs its policemen to work. At least one is present on almost every forum.

You're god damn right I'm the policeman on this one. Did YOU read my posts? Do YOU know my background relevant to this topic? You'll notice no one finds flaws in my explanation. They just post links I've already destroyed and call me names. Do I have to point out the same flaws over and over again or just say, "read my posts, it's already there"? When is one of you going to point out one, just one flaw in my explanation? I've looked at all your sites. Every time I do I learn more about why your links are flawed and bolster my own argument. I took a peak at Popular Mechanics site tonight. You know, the guys that agree with me, for the FIRST time. Guess what? They got it right. I could help them out in a few things, but who's counting.

Find a flaw with my explanation. I've already shot down your links points. Until you guys come up with something new I will just point to what I've already posted. Oh yea, I still have many aces up my sleeve. But not one of you has gotten over the first hurdle.
Read.
Read.
Read.

 

[Christopher Brooks]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Didga,
I would like to have an explanation of the Larry Silverstein
"pull it" confession.

Teacher is wrapped up in his hypothesis and assumption
like a cocoon. He cannot see out though it is a completely
flawed approach to analysis because he ignores all evidence
that doesn't fit with his hypothesis instead of abandoning it
when the facts do not fit.

Teacher relies on a single "expert" testimony.

This "expert" is according to teacher beyond any error.

This expert is himself.

 

[arussian]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

(#362)

I have already explained the how and why the towers collapsed

.
What have you “explained”? You repeated poor idea of Nova about multiplication effect of falling floors. When I’ve attracted (with some effort) your learned attention to the core of WTC1,2 buildings you replied in the following ambiguous way: (#340)

“Consider the placement of collums. Do you really think if the core was undamaged, just the outside of the building would have fallen away like a calving glacier? The "core" is not some inner sanctum of super strength. It is the normal layout of collums. The difference in the WTC is many collums were placed on the face of the building so there could be open collum free office spaces between the "core" and face”.

I can bet this sort of “explanations” (without any references to photos, features, details and peculiarities of the real process) can ignite suspicions and mistrust best of all.

Confess, teacher, conspiracy theorists hired you for doing your job in this thread? :smile:
Right choice, by the way, they must be smart.

 

[naptowntruthseeker]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Hey Nappy, way to disprove my explanation. Your looking real smart now. Tell me the one about the ostrich again. I've explained the whole thing. You can't find one error that's why you revert to name calling. Good one sport. Way to bolster your case.

Like you can talk about name calling! This is the closest I've ever come to stooping to your level.

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Didga,

I would like to have an explanation of the Larry Silverstein
"pull it" confession.
Teacher is wrapped up in his hypothesis and assumption
like a cocoon. He cannot see out though it is a completely
flawed approach to analysis because he ignores all evidence
that doesn't fit with his hypothesis instead of abandoning it
when the facts do not fit.
Teacher relies on a single "expert" testimony.
This "expert" is according to teacher beyond any errorThis expert is himself
.

Ah, Mr. Brooks. For you I'll repost. Guess you didn't read it the times I've pointed it out for you. Then YOU can expain to ME what he meant.

And your forgetting something, Mr. Brooks. I do cite one other person ,an expert, in my posts. He's just the guy who desienged the building though. S oyou see we have two experts, him, and myself.What would he know compared to your guy, who owned a building.

So your boy, Silverputz, says he talked with the F.D. Chief and he said the #7 was hopeless and that they should "pull it". To you that means blow up. Which assumes there are explosives already set. To F.D. personal, (thank you Fireman Ryan) it means pull all people out of the building. Stay with me here Mr. Brooks. Your theory assumes that the building is already rigged with highly volatile, flammable explosives. This #7 was on fire for seven hours before your boys statement. So your saying a building packed with explosives in some giant conspiracy was allowed to burn, hopefully I guess not prematurely, detonating some explosives, and not others. At which point some might be thrown clear giving evidence to your theory. And compromising the well orchestrated timing that is entailed in the destroying of a building.

And Mr. Brooks, Didga is on your side.

 

[Arch Enemy]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

they Sent My Movie!!!! After 5 Months!!!

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

Like you can talk about name calling! This is the closest I've ever come to stooping to your level.

Of all things in the world, you found my personal kyptonite. An ostrich, Waaaa....still haven't found a error in my explanation, have you?

Oh, by the way. went through those sites you posted that I hadn't seen before. One gave me the layout of the lower floors of #7. Which (surprise) bolsters my explanation. Thanks guys. Now remember I've asked for the water line layouts to #7 and the towers. Let's get on the ball here shall we?

Let's have a little fun here. A previous victim on this thread gave me a link where a fire fighter in the towers said just before collapse, heard loud noises, like explosions, that shook the building. I of course have a logical explanation for that, but you guys missed it. But then you don't really try to understand what happened do you, you just post hoping something will get ol teacher. Good luck foil hatters. Oh ask me about it, please. Care to bite?

 

[teacher]

Re: 911 WAS an inside job.

they Sent My Movie!!!! After 5 Months!!!

Yea arch. Ah....what movie? Don't get me wrong, we are all happy for you over hear at conspiracy theory 101 and all, a little jealous but,,,,what movie?