ronpaulvoter
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How do you feel about a separation of education and all levels of government. Would you prefer...
1. A total separation.
2. A partial separation.
3. A guaranteed state-provided education for everybody.
4. Something else (specify).
How do you feel about a separation of education and all levels of government. Would you prefer...
1. A total separation.
2. A partial separation.
3. A guaranteed state-provided education for everybody.
4. Something else (specify).
I see that the posters in this thread like the idea of living in a country full of uneducated people. If not a democratic government to ensure the quality and funding of education for all, then who?
You left out the tyranny and slavery buzzwords.I would prefer no socialized schooling, whether city, county, state, or federal, since providing such schooling is dependent upon the initiation of aggression.
Have no idea how you got that out of my post.
And while the state should fund it, they've done an absolutely lousy job at ensuring quality.
Bold: This is part of the problem as I see it. It is also indicative of a larger problem in today's parental society.
IMO ALL schools should be funded via federal and state taxes. I feel this because of a couple of reasons. 1st: Educating society at large ALWAYS leads to a better society. Provided that education is available to all equally. 2: Children ARE the future of not only this country but the entire world. Its plain D Stupid to not provide them an education.
Now, back to the bold, it should not be up to the federal government to provide quality schooling. It should be the local people and in particular the PARENTS that ensure that their children get a quality education. The government should provide the outline. IE: Math, science, english, and basic history and learning place. They should also have a selection of books for each subject that communities can select from. Each subject having at least 200 books to select from, all written by private accredited authors and universities. None written by the government and all of them validated by accredited journals/institutions. Preferably by at least 10 separate such journals/institutions. Everything else should be up to the parents and community to make sure their local school has what is needed. IE: The government should not be allowed to dictate every single thing in any and all given subject/s. If this was done it would prevent indoctrination by the government.
I think vouchers would be better than giving the schools money directly.
Depending on the voucher program vouchers only last for so long and then the parent has to start paying directly. The other problem is that such a voucher program assumes that there is a min/max amount to educate children. Plain fact of the matter is that each child differs in their ability and learning ability. Some may cost more, some may cost less.
That said, I think I have a better solution than either vouchers OR giving money to schools directly. Instead require that each school have a group that is elected and is totally made up of parents who have children in the school that they are representing. No one else may be a part of this council. If the school needs money they have to request it from this "council". This council also requisitions money from the government for general upkeep and for any supplies needed. (teachers no longer have to pay for supplies). There's a bit more to this but I've got to go...dinner is almost ready and it smells GOOOOOOOOOD!
To me the problem is the kids who don't want to be there and who disrupt the educations of those who do want to be there. Paying for butt-filled seats, whether the state pays for attendance or provides vouchers, only exacerbates the problem. It encourages the schools to chase the money at the expense of the education.
I say school should be state funded, but only the state level on down. No federal. Also, give a school a budget for the year, and they get that amount no matter what. Kick out the troublemakers, allowing the kids who want to learn the chance to actually learn.
To me the problem is the kids who don't want to be there and who disrupt the educations of those who do want to be there. Paying for butt-filled seats, whether the state pays for attendance or provides vouchers, only exacerbates the problem. It encourages the schools to chase the money at the expense of the education.
I say school should be state funded, but only the state level on down. No federal. Also, give a school a budget for the year, and they get that amount no matter what. Kick out the troublemakers, allowing the kids who want to learn the chance to actually learn.
You left out the tyranny and slavery buzzwords.
You're so far off from what I said that I don't know where to start.Some serious problems exist in your "ideal" education funding model:
1) Assuming that public school funding is based on per pupil (it would be silly to fund a school with 100 students at the same level as a school with 2,000 students), then every student "kicked out" results in a loss of funding. That is a not an incentive to weed out trouble makers, simply to separate them into slower paced classes (as they now do by placing the better students into AP classes).
2) If funding is still based on a warm chair count, rather than actual educational improvement attained by the students, then why not just hire good baby sitters at a much lower cost than that required for good teachers?
How do you feel about a separation of education and all levels of government. Would you prefer...
1. A total separation.
2. A partial separation.
3. A guaranteed state-provided education for everybody.
4. Something else (specify).
I would have said total separation, except that this turned into a libertarian cluster-**** and somehow, education being privatized became part of the equation. I absolutely do not want privatized education, I just want the government at all levels out of the religion business.
I see that the posters in this thread like the idea of living in a country full of uneducated people. If not a democratic government to ensure the quality and funding of education for all, then who?
Actually it's federal government involvement that is dumbing down America's public schools. They have become indoctrination centers rather then education institutions.
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