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We could have gotten cap and trade, but you guys didn't go for it so you got Just A Cap. Enjoy.
Weird how Cap and Trade was a FREE MARKET SOLUTION in October 2008 but in December 2008 it was socialism.
Is there ANYTHING the Republicans are willing to work with the president on? I mean anything AT ALL?
Cap and trade is the government control of all business. The taxes will destroy many business
Do you wonder why people call the Republicans the party of no?Yes repeal Obamacare
Wow, so Obama could actually control the climate? He's more awesome than I give him credit for.
Is there ANYTHING the Republicans are willing to work with the president on? I mean anything AT ALL?
Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.
Taxation is not control. Regulation is not control.
By your logic, every single industry is already under government control, so what's the difference?
Oh yes, and they've just been noble white knights the last 2 years... :roll:
Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.
Yes it is. By definition regulation is control. Often it is necessary. But sometimes the power is abused to promote an agenda. Personal opinion is that is what we had here with the Cap and Trade proposals.
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Personal opinions which mysteriously shifted among the GOP right after November 2008. Before then I had been arguing for something more drastic and direct. My conservative friends told me Cap and Trade was best because it was a free market solution. Sarah Palin told me that too.
Mere months after the election Palin is writing blog pieces about how it will DESTROY AMERICA RAAARRR
edit: Quick googling tells me Huckabee also.
Cap and Trade, incidentally, has been estimated to cost between $800 and $1600 per household per year, depending on who you ask. (the $1500 per year by 2035 came from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group) That also doesn't include the rebate. Far less than some of the absurd numbers thrown about by the GOP and conservatives.
Oh don't start that crap. It takes both sides willing to reach out, but for the last 2 years... reaching out didn't really matter. Now sudden;y it's important? Spare us all the BS would ya?
We could have gotten cap and trade, but you guys didn't go for it so you got Just A Cap. Enjoy.
Weird how Cap and Trade was a FREE MARKET SOLUTION in October 2008 but in December 2008 it was socialism.
Oh yes, and they've just been noble white knights the last 2 years... :roll:
Oh don't start that crap. It takes both sides willing to reach out, but for the last 2 years... reaching out didn't really matter. Now sudden;y it's important? Spare us all the BS would ya?
Are you at all surprised? I mean, be realistic for a moment. If you were the President and one of the parties basically said when you took office "We are going to do everything we can to make your life miserable," is that going to make you want to reach across the aisle? I'm personally stunned Obama has been as outgoing towards Republicans as he has been given their behavior.Amazing how suddenly the GOP has to work with Obama, when he spent the last two years spitting on the Republicans.
Just don't remember too many (or any) on the conservative side support the carbon tax. If they did I would disagree with them.
Do you have any links to times when Palin, Huckabee, etc. were in support of the carbon tax proposals....?? :thinking
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What was it that convinced you that global warming was a real and pressing problem?
Oh, I think the weight of evidence over time [convinced me] that it's something that you ought to be careful about. As a conservative, I think you ought to be prudent, and it seems to me that the conservative approach should be to minimize the risk of a really catastrophic change.
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In 2000, candidate George Bush pledged mandatory carbon caps; it was a campaign pledge. What did you think of it at the time? Were you for that?
I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there's a package there that's very, very good. And frankly, it's something I would strongly support.
Since when is govt control equal to free market? :roll:
-Ronald Reagan. Alluding to support for something along the cap and trade lines. His administration didn't accomplish it for acid rain emissions, but Bush Sr. did in 1990. Reagan did enact a cap and trade system relating to lead in gasoline.We are also developing proposals that make use of market incentives to control air pollution caused by sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions and the causes of acid rain.
In the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan’s Environmental Protection Agency successfully put in place a cap-and-trade system to phase out leaded gasoline. The result was a more rapid elimination of leaded gasoline from the marketplace than anyone had anticipated, and at a savings of some $250 million per year, compared with a conventional no-trade, command-and-control approach.
The Cap and Trade System in the Clear Skies Initiative
HOW DOES IT WORK?
Only when the socialists are out of power should the Republicans be bi-partisan, but as soon as the socialists are back in power they lock the Republicans out of the room.
When the Policy are bad for America or one branch is gaining too much power ( the reason why have checks and balances). Then it's the job of the other branches in this case Congress to fight back. Also the Republicans ran on the platform of fighting back against Obama in the 2010 midterms and form the results of that election that's what American people want.
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