I don't see how your previous comment applies to the left.
And the left has been critical of Obama over many issues. The left doesn't like Obama and his centrism
How do they propose to move beyond "suspicion" without due process? That's what I'd like to know.No, the letter clearly does not allow killing people based on suspicion. That is just hysterical BS
I think they're about to not like him a lot more, in general and especially if he acts on Iran. Like the first rumblings of the Tea Party, when repubs began to speak out against Bush's spending.
How do they propose to move beyond "suspicion" without due process? That's what I'd like to know.
Not really. Though the question Rand asked was not limited to any particular circumstance, the answer given by Holder clearly does limit the use of drones to only the most exceptional circumstances and does limit itself to attacks in progress.
No, the letter clearly does not allow killing people based on suspicion. That is just hysterical BS
Ahh, I see now.
But I doubt it. The left hasn't ever liked Obama.
Not really. Though the question Rand asked was not limited to any particular circumstance, the answer given by Holder clearly does limit the use of drones to only the most exceptional circumstances and does limit itself to attacks in progress.
No, the letter clearly does not allow killing people based on suspicion. That is just hysterical BS
As a matter of policy. Rand asked as a matter of law. Policies can change at the discretion of the executive. He doesn't have that flexibility with laws.
The same way cops do when they see someone shooting people. They don't hold a trial before blowing the shooters head off.
Job Approval rating, among dems, is 80-90% for years.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval Among Democrats
The same way cops do when they see someone shooting people. They don't hold a trial before blowing the shooters head off.
So now it's "hawkish" to say we're going to kill terrorists when they're in the middle of an attack on the US? :screwy
and your point?
This isn't the same thing at all. I have read nothing that says the person "has to be in the act of" committing and act of terror. If this is indeed the case, then I stand corrected. Thus far I have not seen that definition.The same way cops do when they see someone shooting people. They don't hold a trial before blowing the shooters head off.
I actually think you really do understand the issue, but duck it. The question is whether there is a necessity of imminent danger of lose of life - as opposed to someone believed to be a terrorist planning some attack in the future.
It is the difference between shooting a robbery running into a store with a gun, versus the police snipering someone learning the person is planning a robbery. And I think you know that too - and oppose it - but are irritated when actual Democrat officials are mentioned in the criticism.
The problem with suspicion and drones comes when there isn't substantial evidence...but the executive moves ahead with the strike anyway...there are no arrests or chance of surrender with drones. It is execution. We have a history of giving due process to the most heinous people to ever live.
We cannot condone using drones on citizens in this country just on suspicion.
You claim the left never liked him, but he has consistent 80-90% approval among Dems.
It's funny seeing how many new faces/paultards have recently signed up here to defend Rand's crazy hysterics. We'll see how long they last.
I don't see how those #'s contradict my claim about the left
Drones would not be used based on suspicion. Holder made that clear
Section 1021(b)(2) of the law allows for detention of citizens and permanent residents taken into custody in the U.S. on “suspicion of providing substantial support” to groups engaged in hostilities against the U.S. such as al-Qaeda and the Taliban
I have read nothing that says the person "has to be in the act of" committing and act of terror. If this is indeed the case, then I stand corrected. Thus far I have not seen that definition.
"It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil? The answer to that question is no."
The premise of your position is that Democrats and not the left? You realize that it would be impossible for me to find a "not democrat but left approval rating", right? What do you want, his approval rating among communists?
1. People like you who simply brush away Paul's words as crazy are part of the problem. You don't see an issue with issues that every American should take seriously.
2. NDAA provisions, Patriot Act, the Executive Orders....are among many things the government has done to attack our rights to liberty. Yet, you remain hostile to those who actually give it some thought.
3. America has a tradition of distrust towards the government. To blindly trust that they will do the right thing is beyond the realm of ignorance.
Yes, that is my premise and I understand the difficulty in coming up with a credible #. However, research would show that the left has been criticizing Obama from the beginning. I doubt it would be hard to find criticism from the left relating to the fact that Obama never fought for single payer, and abandoned the public option.
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