Sen. Sanders says his initial $6T spending package 'too little,' Americans' support on 'our side'

[Conservative]

Really, has the Supreme Court struck down Obamacare then? Or what about Medicare? Or Social Security?


Again, other federated states have these type of type programs, not just unitary states, that in of itself is not a good reason to have them.

The mandate has been eliminated but what does that have to do with the thread topic, Obamacare mandate was all about taxes, not state and local responsibility.

Your amazing ignorance of what Obama did is staggering as is your inability to do research, Treasury shows what Obama added to the debt 9.3 trillion dollars and that so called saving the auto industry is nothing more than liberal lies, taxpayers took over GM which ISN''T the auto industry it is part of the auto industry.

You want to continue this about Obama or any other issue instead of the thread topic start another thread, I have debunked the liberal claims about Obama over and over but cult followers like will never accept the official data.

 

[Conservative]

President Clinton increased the National Debt by almost 32%.

There is a difference between deficit and debt. President Obama showed fiscal responsibility by saving the auto industry, a move that added to the 74% increase in the National Debt he presided over.

The US is not maxxed out. The argument we are having now is if we are going to pay for the credit card charges already incurred. The debt limit should be eliminated, it's never done anything to curb spending, it only leads to brinksmanship with the world economy on the edge.

Do you people have any clue how to do research? GM isn't the Auto Industry it is part of the Auto industry. Obama paid $52 per share to take over GM and taxpayers got $32 per share back, the auto industry hasn't been saved nor has GM, the can was kicked down the road

 

[Yes_Minister]

The mandate has been eliminated but what does that have to do with the thread topic, Obamacare mandate was all about taxes, not state and local responsibility.

Your amazing ignorance of what Obama did is staggering as is your inability to do research, Treasury shows what Obama added to the debt 9.3 trillion dollars and that so called saving the auto industry is nothing more than liberal lies, taxpayers took over GM which ISN''T the auto industry it is part of the auto industry.

You want to continue this about Obama or any other issue instead of the thread topic start another thread, I have debunked the liberal claims about Obama over and over but cult followers like will never accept the official data.

Claiming other people are stunning ignorant when you cannot be bothered to properly read other people's posts is astounding.

If you what said was correct, about it being in the Constitution that the only role for the government is defense, then Federal courts would strike down all Federal spending not related to defense, has that happened? No, of course not, because that is your opinion, not the law of the land.

 

[Conservative]

Claiming other people are stunning ignorant when you cannot be bothered to properly read other people's posts is astounding.

If you what said was correct, about it being in the Constitution that the only role for the government is defense, then Federal courts would strike down all Federal spending not related to defense, has that happened? No, of course not, because that is your opinion, not the law of the land.

Then stop posting opinions as fact and do some actual research, the Preamble to the Constitution is quite clear, PROVIDE for the Common defense and PROMOTE Domestic Welfare, the rest of the Constitution is there for you to read with particular attention to the 10th Amendment.

Why are you continuing to argue this issue? You have no vested interest in anything that happens in this country and certainly aren't paying for the liberal spending spree proposals. You cannot seem to grasp what a fraud liberalism is and who really benefits from massive central gov't, Republicans or Democrats? What party keeps people dependent and which party allows taxpayers to keep more of what they earn?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Then stop posting opinions as fact and do some actual research, the Preamble to the Constitution is quite clear, PROVIDE for the Common defense and PROMOTE Domestic Welfare, the rest of the Constitution is there for you to read with particular attention to the 10th Amendment.

Why are you continuing to argue this issue? You have no vested interest in anything that happens in this country and certainly aren't paying for the liberal spending spree proposals. You cannot seem to grasp what a fraud liberalism is and who really benefits from massive central gov't, Republicans or Democrats? What party keeps people dependent and which party allows taxpayers to keep more of what they earn?

By tax payers you mean Bezos, not his workers right? The tax cuts were on permanent for Bezos.

Physican heal thy self. You pass off your opinions as facts all the time, the idea that the 8 trillion dollars for the war on terror was necessary is an opinion, not a fact. The idea that the Government's only role is for defense is an opinion, not a fact, otherwise all non defense spending would be unconstitutional. You are also lying when you said Republicans never added to the debt and use Enron style accounting to justify that.

 

[Conservative]

By tax payers you mean Bezos, not his workers right? The tax cuts were on permanent for Bezos.

Physican heal thy self. You pass off your opinions as facts all the time, the idea that the 8 trillion dollars for the war on terror was necessary is an opinion, not a fact. The idea that the Government's only role is for defense is an opinion, not a fact, otherwise all non defense spending would be unconstitutional. You are also lying when you said Republicans never added to the debt and use Enron style accounting to justify that.

You are obsessed with Bezos and anyone richer than you, what a waste of time, I have posted the tax revenue from FIT and CIT from Treasury but that doesn't satisfy jealous individuals who are incapable of understanding that the individual controls their class and if you are poor look in the mirror for the problem. It never has bothered me what someone else earns or pays in taxes

You cannot seem to grasp that when I post data it comes from bls.gov, bea.gov, and tax data from Treasury.gov all official sites and not opinions. You don't like the data take it up with the source

 

[Tbird19482]

By tax payers you mean Bezos, not his workers right? The tax cuts were on permanent for Bezos.

Physican heal thy self. You pass off your opinions as facts all the time, the idea that the 8 trillion dollars for the war on terror was necessary is an opinion, not a fact. The idea that the Government's only role is for defense is an opinion, not a fact, otherwise all non defense spending would be unconstitutional. You are also lying when you said Republicans never added to the debt and use Enron style accounting to justify that.

you are arguing with a person who can't except that Congress over the years has expanded what our taxes pay for and now cover, he doesn't care if there are homeless on the streets and there are families that even on welfare some time have to choose between medicine for a family member or food
He has said over the years he would like to see everybody ( execpt for the rich and corporations ) pay FIT , if you earn 10 cents he wants you to pay FIT on that ten cents ( and if you earn 10 Billion dollars in US profits you don't have to pay any )
and he is all for cutting taxes on the rich and doesn't want the large corps to pay anything on their US profits
He wants to take from the poor and give it to the rich and large corps he has been that way for some time now
Good luck trying to make him realize he is messed up
Have a nice afternoon

 

[Yes_Minister]

you are arguing with a person who can't except that Congress over the years has expanded what our taxes pay for and now cover, he doesn't care if there are homeless on the streets and there are families that even on welfare some time have to choose between medicine for a family member or food
He has said over the years he would like to see everybody ( execpt for the rich and corporations ) pay FIT , if you earn 10 cents he wants you to pay FIT on that ten cents ( and if you earn 10 Billion dollars in US profits you don't have to pay any )
and he is all for cutting taxes on the rich and doesn't want the large corps to pay anything on their US profits
He wants to take from the poor and give it to the rich and large corps he has been that way for some time now
Good luck trying to make him realize he is messed up
Have a nice afternoon

Fair enough, I guess I am being too competitive with someone so stubborn, that shouting at a brick wall would be more productive.

 

[goldkam]

sorry but your biased partisan spin does not change reality,

TRUE: California has the nation’s highest poverty rate

California’s job and economic growth has outpaced much of the nation in recent years. That growth, however, has not elim

www.politifact.com

It is not partisan spin, I went and conducted research and the vast majority of sources showed Louisiana, New Mexico and Mississippi as having highest poverty rates.

Your source, which I will accept and take on board, makes a significant inclusion.

California has the nation’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living​

"From 2013 to 2015, California had America’s 17th-highest poverty rate, 15 percent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Official Poverty Measure. That measure uses income levels to determine poverty, but does not consider differences in cost-of-living among states. It lists the official poverty threshold for a two-adult, two-child family at $24,036 in 2015."

So when considering poverty rate, we both have accurate data based on the measures we researched, however your data factors in cost of living. Don't pretend you are right and I am wrong, that is simply not true.

Why do you have such loyalty to an ideology that never delivers on the promised results and keeps control by making people dependent.

I have loyalty in research and facts, which I have delivered.

There are decisions and actions on both sides of politics that I don't agree with, where both Republicans and Democrats have overpromised and underdelivered.

Can you explain why California and NY with the highest taxes in the nation, the highest cost of living cannot solve their social problems and keep electing the same ideology over and over again?

If you seriously think taxes and cost of living are the only things that Government's worry about and constituents want their Governments to worry about, then you are very politically naive.

Californians and New Yorkers are more progressive cohorts of people and in turn have different values. For example climate change, pro choice and healthcare. That is why they get reelected.

I do agree that inequality and poverty in these areas is high, as is the case in other US states and needs to be addressed. But reelection of a Government is not premised solely on the issues you speak of. That is important to consider.

As for FIT, again you are misguided and misled by the liberal ideology, FIT is the issue no other taxes, if you earn income in this country you should be paying FIT, 46% don't

No, I think you are the misguided one.

The 46% number is wrong. Let's look at the facts and not the politically biased views of some.

1) Two thirds of the 46% pay payroll taxes. So the claim they pay no taxes at all is false.
2) This 46% is made up of younger teens/adults, families with children at home and seniors who don't make enough to justify filing a tax return or can gain exemptions and tax credits. Do you think they should be paying tax, because they are earning an income?

To break this down even further and disprove false and inaccurate claims:
- One fifth of the 46% are seniors who can get tax breaks. Are you suggesting we start taxing seniors who have paid taxes their whole life (and some who may have fought for their country)?
- One seventh are working families with children who can get such things as the child tax credit

Of course I have been impacted by gov't policies that is the issue, gov't policies and destruction of incentive

So we should remove the Government and run the country by ourselves?

 

[goldkam]

as you can see and I have asked him about it hundreds of times
He cries about the bottom 43%of the American people not paying taxes but doesn't say a word about ( it was 43% in 2017) the 65% or so large Corps. making over a million dollars in US profits some making several Billions not paying a cent in FIT/ CIT
That is ok with him and he wants Every PERSON to pay FIT on every cent they earn and it doesn't matter if they don't have enough money to buy food or have to live under a bridge if they make a dollar he wants them to pay FIT on it and corp's and billionaires not pay anything NOT one cent
Good luck with him
Have a nice afternoon

That is absolutely right. I am really frustrated at the narrow-mindedness and inability for some to open ones mind to the facts.
It is not debatable that some large corps haven't paid FIT or other taxes, yet it is ignored as if it doesn't happen.

Ignorance is bliss.

Appreciate your message.

 

[HangLow]

You are entitled to your opinion which has no bearing on the past or the present in this country.
Military spending is 11% of the U.S. Budget of 5.2 trillion dollars
with over 60% of that budget funding entitlement and mandatory spending issues mostly SS, Medicare. Do you have any clue what state and local government responsibilities are in this country? Have you read the 10th Amendment to the Constitution?

Calling me hypocrite is quite stunning especially coming from someone in your country.

^^^^ Do you have a link for this???

I found it... You are correct...
-Peace

 

[Conservative]

^^^^ Do you have a link for this???
-Peace

What the left refuses to acknowledge is the Constitutional Requirement of PROVIDING for the Common defense. 11% of the U.S. Budget doesn't come close to meeting the Constitutional requirements meaning that the budget doesn't need to be increased but the line items in the budget including entitlements has to be cut.