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So here is a theory. I am wondering how others would approach this. What do you think the results would have been if the USSR and Nazi Germany had maintained the peace/nonaggression pact?
Do you think that war could have been brought to the United States door step? I certainly think that the UK mainland would have been in trouble. I don't know if mainland America could have been invaded. And maybe the soviets would have used their resources in the east?
Recently a German U Boat was found off the coast near where I live in Florida, so yea. I think the Germans would try to get here.So here is a theory. I am wondering how others would approach this. What do you think the results would have been if the USSR and Nazi Germany had maintained the peace/nonaggression pact?
Do you think that war could have been brought to the United States door step? I certainly think that the UK mainland would have been in trouble. I don't know if mainland America could have been invaded. And maybe the soviets would have used their resources in the east?
So here is a theory. I am wondering how others would approach this. What do you think the results would have been if the USSR and Nazi Germany had maintained the peace/nonaggression pact?
Do you think that war could have been brought to the United States door step? I certainly think that the UK mainland would have been in trouble. I don't know if mainland America could have been invaded. And maybe the soviets would have used their resources in the east?
So here is a theory. I am wondering how others would approach this. What do you think the results would have been if the USSR and Nazi Germany had maintained the peace/nonaggression pact?
Do you think that war could have been brought to the United States door step? I certainly think that the UK mainland would have been in trouble. I don't know if mainland America could have been invaded. And maybe the soviets would have used their resources in the east?
So here is a theory. I am wondering how others would approach this. What do you think the results would have been if the USSR and Nazi Germany had maintained the peace/nonaggression pact?
Do you think that war could have been brought to the United States door step? I certainly think that the UK mainland would have been in trouble. I don't know if mainland America could have been invaded. And maybe the soviets would have used their resources in the east?
This is way out in left field thinking but at a high level if Germany did not have to fight a two front war we might have handled the war in the pacific theater very differently. /QUOTE]
I don't think so. The fuse for war with Japan was lit in the early 1900's during the Theodore Roosevelt administration..
The plan for fighting Japan was written by two Marine Corps officers and was adopted I believe in 1924. It was known as War Plan Orange and it was the plan used to fight the war in the Pacific.
HyperWar: US Army in WWII: Strategy and Command: The First Two Years
HyperWar: USMC Operations in WWII: Vol III--Central Pacific Drive [Chapter I-1]
So here is a theory. I am wondering how others would approach this. What do you think the results would have been if the USSR and Nazi Germany had maintained the peace/nonaggression pact?
Do you think that war could have been brought to the United States door step? I certainly think that the UK mainland would have been in trouble. I don't know if mainland America could have been invaded. And maybe the soviets would have used their resources in the east?
I don't think so. The fuse for war with Japan was lit in the early 1900's during the Theodore Roosevelt administration..
The plan for fighting Japan was written by two Marine Corps officers and was adopted I believe in 1924. It was known as War Plan Orange and it was the plan used to fight the war in the Pacific.
HyperWar: US Army in WWII: Strategy and Command: The First Two Years
HyperWar: USMC Operations in WWII: Vol III--Central Pacific Drive [Chapter I-1]
I have been fascinated with Earl Ellis for decades, and have long wondered why there is no movie about his life. This is a man who literally saw WWII 20 years before it happened, named it's major goals and battlefields, predicted how it would go, and even weapons that did not exist in 1920 but he thought would exist 20 years later.
I think the plan was to drive us back into isolationism. But eventual invasion was the end goal.Yea, the presence of U-boats off the US coast in both World Wars is well known.
But they were only trying to interdict shipping and transport, not invade. You can't bring in an invasion army by submarine, and Germany in both world wars did not have anywhere near the kind of fleet that would have been needed to pull off an invasion of the US.
For that you needed Battleships, destroyers, cruisers, tons of cargo and troop ships, landing craft, and by WWII aircraft carriers.
Germany never invested in these really, they were all about land occupation.
I think the plan was to drive us back into isolationism. But eventual invasion was the end goal.
I don't think they ever thought that far ahead. Maybe dreamt it but not so far as actively thinking about it.
So do you think Ellis drank himself to death or was murdered by the Japanese ?
If you look in the History area, I just posted a large post about Earl Ellis.
Honestly, I think he drank himself to death. He had been having problems with alcohol for years, and had been hospitalized multiple times prior to his death for symptoms of acute alcoholism (including in the Philippines).
However, I think that the Japanese quickly capitalized on the intelligence they seized after his death, and shortly afterwards started a massive build-up on their islands. Mostly based upon his notes.
Do I think they killed him? No. But do I think they would have if he had not killed himself? Very likely.
Any combination of 2 of the 3 main allied powers would have defeated Germany it just would have taken longer.
I don't think they ever thought that far ahead. Maybe dreamt it but not so far as actively thinking about it.
Without all three, the defeat of The Axis would have been impossible.
Of course they were thinking about it, hence the reason for the developement of massive long range transport aircraft.
His ideology was to impose his doctrine world wide. Transport ships could have been sunk anywhere in the Atlantic, why would they need to patrol the waters of our east coast if there were not at least plans to do more than just patrol.Must have missed that part, Where does he say he was going to invade the USA?
His ideology was to impose his doctrine world wide. Transport ships could have been sunk anywhere in the Atlantic, why would they need to patrol the waters of our east coast if there were not at least plans to do more than just patrol.
Or, like I said back us up into isolation.
Same reason there were subs off the coast in ww1. Ocean is huge but if you patrol where the ships leave and enter port your chances increase significantly.
How does subs off the coast of the USA have anything to do with invading the USA?
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