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Second Amendment works again

I never vilified her for using a gun. I vilified her for living in a black market warehouse. You haven't dealt enough with restaurant and liquor store owners to know that a lot of times the stuff that comes in wholesale, goes right back out and is sold at black market prices: again, why do you think those guys were there?

I have been telling you this stuff all along and you chosen obtuseness over dialogue.

She's a gun owner. You're saying that she's into illegal acts based on what exactly? That she has a bunch of items in her home? You're making assumptions. You know nothing about her. I'd bet that if she had been unarmed and killed you'd be defending her and hollering about how this is an example of why people shouldn't have guns. ...Oh wait...you're already doing that last part.
 
actually think that through

gun control laws means those who follow the laws won't have guns

criminals breaking into homes aren't following laws

that is why gun control merely disarms honest people
You think those guys manufactured their own guns?
 
I watched and read the entire story. ... This woman should be put to death for murder. She killed one of them, or more accurately, her gun killed one man.

This is further proof that the confiscation of ALL firearms is needed immediately. She would not have had to fear them and murder them, if neither they nor she had access to a damn gun!
Further proof that any trump supporter is absolutely insane!
Clearly fire arm registration prevents absolutely nothing!

Let's see...in one post you blanketly...

1. Call for the death of a woman for defending herself against multiple male attackers
2. Called for immediate confiscation of ALL firearms
3. Insult ALL Trump supporters as being INSANE
4. Declare gun registration as useless

...and you wonder why no one takes anything you say seriously?

Here is why.

Rational thinking, and reasonable people do not talk like this.

Just trying to help you out with some social interaction issues you might have.
 
To be clear...you are suggesting that woman in her home should have just had the guts to go hand to hand with three home invaders?

Vance...that is also how I saw their post.

Remember the other guy who called us all Pu$$ies for carrying a gun rather than going HTH with attackers who ARE armed.

Now another member said one woman should have gone HTH with multiple male attackers.

You just can't make this stuff up.

I wonder what kind of alternate reality they live in?
 
:doh

so if you are 65 year old man in poor health, all you need is guts to fight off say a 28 year old man.

this is the same kind of thinking the japanese used during WWII, BUSHIDO, thinking because they were brave soldiers, they would over come bullets and could win, and its stupid

Opening line for a joke.....

Three WW2 samurai walk into a BAR.....

all dead with four rounds still left in the magazine.
 
People never NEED guns.

It is very apparent YOU have never been attacked by multiple assailants.

I have. Still have the scar on my left thigh.

I was in pretty good shape and there were two of them.

They surprised me and it was all over in seconds.

You are NEVER the badass you THINK you are when you are walking back to your truck after a job, tired, and thinking of a cold one when you get home.

BOOM!

Reality steps in and changes your perspective forever.

You are talking from 100% THEORY with ZERO practical experience.

Your advice you give here will get someone killed or hurt pretty bad.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are only talking from theory.
 
If that is your expectation of a wild animal encounter,
more power to you, and good luck, you are going to need it!

longview....let's see what he does when confronted with our local javalina packs or those wild Roooshins running around everywhere.

Isn't it funny the lengths some of these liberals will go to in order to deny reality to keep hold of their flawed points that have nothing to do with the real world. Yet they want us to believe what even they know is not realistic.

they are saying, and trying to support....

1. home invaders are only there for valuables and will not rape anyone
2. multiple male home invaders can be defeated and drive out by one unarmed female
3. you will NEVER....NEVER... need a gun in any violent encounter with man nor beast.
4. If you DO choose to have a gun, you are less of a man than they.

Man, what the hell is in that Kool-Aid they have been drinking. :screwy
 
Another multiple flash mob of a thread about gun control..

What do you guys think about Trump's stance on gun control in high crime areas like inner city Chicago? I repeat: in high crime areas like inner city Chicago. He thinks guns should be confiscated in high crime areas. He advocates stop and frisk.
I wholeheartedly agree.
 
Yeah. I'd rather they just hide.

If the attacker was intent on scouring the house trying to murder them then I'd ask them what the hell they'd done to make such an enemy.

blaming the victim is exactly what you are doing here.

You do not realize there are murderous sociopaths walking around among us with that expressed intent. They enjoy it. It gives they power and they live to kill.
 
That's your choice. Others however are brave about it.

a guy I knew was KILLED in Ft. Lauderdale who had your exact attitude.

He worked in a gun shop and did private security at night.

One night while at a video game parlor two Haitians came in to rob the place WITH GUNS.

He was behind the door sitting on a char when they came in. He was pretty good at martial arts, so rather than draw his own gun, he jumped them both as he was behind them when they came in.

They shot him dead in the scuffle.

Your THEORY is just as dead as he was.

Unless you KNOW what you are talking about, it is best to not give advice to others that will get them killed.

This is what you are doing with all this BS advice you are putting out here on this thread.

I did not know you HATED your fellow citizen that much, to the point you will had out advice to them that would, could, and WILL get them killed.

If anyone takes your advice on this issue, they will die.
 
But do the facts support the claim that one NEVER needs a gun to defeat an armed attacker?

I'll certainly concede the point that it is possible, at times and under certain circumstances to defeat an armed attacker without the aid of a gun.

Of course that's a true claim and there are factual examples of situations that bear it out.

What concerns me are the situations where it would not be possible under any circumstances to defeat an armed attacker or group of attackers who are intent on or perfectly willing to commit murder.

Unless you're PERFECTLY comfortable in the idea that you, personally, could literally take ALL comers, under ALL circumstances, whether armed or unarmed, with ANY of the hundreds of types of implements that could be used to shoot, stab, bludgeon, choke, crush, or otherwise kill a person, you're a literal idiot to not arm yourself.

The way I see it, if two ~250 lb. ex con muscle-heads kicked in the door of my house at 0300 armed with hammers and crowbars there is nothing at all I could do to prevent them from killing me, my wife, and my two little boys if I were unarmed.

I'd certainly be willing to fight them to the death, and it is a near certainty that that's exactly the state I would be found in when police eventually got to my home.

But I'm the last line of defense for a 110 lb. woman, and two boys under the age of eight years old.

I'm not willing to take the chance that a couple of guys who would invade a person's home armed with deadly weapons would ALWAYS be willing to take the TV, the jewelry, and go on about their business.

And I'm not willing to take the chance that I would ALWAYS be physically capable of defeating them with my bare hands, a kitchen knife, or a blunt object.

And I live where I do (TX - I moved here from NJ) in part because I don't want it to even have to be a consideration that I try to reason with, wrestle with, otherwise dissuade, or flee from a home invader.

Very well said, soot.

Since you are new to Texas, You might not know that down here we can also protect our PROPERTY with deadly force.

It is YOUR TV set, and they have no right to take it from you.

Let them go to NJ and steal one for someone up there.

Down here in Texas, you take your life in your hands if you attempt to steal ANYTHING from a Texas citizen.
 
Your very first post in this thread, in response to the OP is that people don't need a gun to defend themselves. Unless you weren't responding to the OP with that post?

That's right, and I showed a video that proves it.
 
That's right, and I showed a video that proves it.

So when is your son going to give up his gun? He obviously doesn't need it.

For that matter when are you going to get rid of yours? What are you afraid of?
 
She's a gun owner. You're saying that she's into illegal acts based on what exactly? That she has a bunch of items in her home? You're making assumptions. You know nothing about her. I'd bet that if she had been unarmed and killed you'd be defending her and hollering about how this is an example of why people shouldn't have guns. ...Oh wait...you're already doing that last part.

She's probably not even a citizen. And again, when did I say she was wrong for shooting at those guys?
 
It is very apparent YOU have never been attacked by multiple assailants.

I have. Still have the scar on my left thigh.

I was in pretty good shape and there were two of them.

They surprised me and it was all over in seconds.

You are NEVER the badass you THINK you are when you are walking back to your truck after a job, tired, and thinking of a cold one when you get home.

BOOM!

Reality steps in and changes your perspective forever.

You are talking from 100% THEORY with ZERO practical experience.

Your advice you give here will get someone killed or hurt pretty bad.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are only talking from theory.

No, I'm speaking from the facts pointed out in the numerous videos I've posted and from the fact that I'm not afraid to walk my own streets without a gun. That's not theory.
 
No, I'm speaking from the facts pointed out in the numerous videos I've posted and from the fact that I'm not afraid to walk my own streets without a gun. That's not theory.

Then why don't you get rid of all your guns? I'm sure you can find a buy back program.
 
a guy I knew was KILLED in Ft. Lauderdale who had your exact attitude.

He worked in a gun shop and did private security at night.

One night while at a video game parlor two Haitians came in to rob the place WITH GUNS.

He was behind the door sitting on a char when they came in. He was pretty good at martial arts, so rather than draw his own gun, he jumped them both as he was behind them when they came in.

They shot him dead in the scuffle.

Your THEORY is just as dead as he was.

Unless you KNOW what you are talking about, it is best to not give advice to others that will get them killed.

This is what you are doing with all this BS advice you are putting out here on this thread.

I did not know you HATED your fellow citizen that much, to the point you will had out advice to them that would, could, and WILL get them killed.

If anyone takes your advice on this issue, they will die.

Sorry to hear about your friend.
 
Then why don't you get rid of all your guns? I'm sure you can find a buy back program.

Two are antiques, they'd bring some bucks and one is a pretty expensive 1911.
 
Camer☑n;1066370181 said:
You think those guys manufactured their own guns?

huh? Try explaining that a bit more, it makes no sense
 
She's probably not even a citizen.

WTF?!?!?! What the hell does her citizenship have to do with anything? Are you implying that she's here illegally? That as a non-citizen she should automatically be considered as doing something illegal just because she has stuff in her house? Why the heck are you attacking the VICTIM here?

And again, when did I say she was wrong for shooting at those guys?

Again, what does the video you posted have to do in relation to the OP? Or did you not post that video as a response to the OP?
 
Very well said, soot.

Since you are new to Texas, You might not know that down here we can also protect our PROPERTY with deadly force.

It is YOUR TV set, and they have no right to take it from you.

Let them go to NJ and steal one for someone up there.

Down here in Texas, you take your life in your hands if you attempt to steal ANYTHING from a Texas citizen.

Thanks.

It is my personal philosophy, and a decision I've made, that I am not going to kill a man over "property".

What I mean is, if I see a guy walking out my back door carrying my TV, I'm not going to shoot him even though I may be within my rights to do so.

While I'm perfectly willing to kill a man in self defense and four years in the Infantry has, I believe, mentally prepared me to start squeezing that trigger without waffling, I have never killed anyone and from conversations with friends who have it effects everyone differently, even when it's justifiable homicide.

I know guys who struggle, mightily, psychologically, over people they have killed justifiably.

I don't know how it will effect me, so I'm not going to take the chance that I'll go through what they're going through over the price of a television set.

If a man is in my home creeping around and I'm unsure of his motives, that is to say, he is not clearly and unmistakably extricating himself from the situation so I don't know what he might be there for, he's getting shot.

But if I can't justify it as clearly being self defense or in defense of my family, enjoy the TV dude.

Again, just my personal philosophy.

I recognize that others view it differently and I have no qualms with you or anyone else defending your property, but I'm not going to do it.
 
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Another multiple flash mob of a thread about gun control..

What do you guys think about Trump's stance on gun control in high crime areas like inner city Chicago? I repeat: in high crime areas like inner city Chicago. He thinks guns should be confiscated in high crime areas. He advocates stop and frisk.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I have to admit...I dont follow every comment of Ztrump, or Hillary for that matter. Can you point to a speech or comment where he has said law abiding citizens should have their guns confiscated in Chicago?
 
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