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SCOTUS Rules on Taxpayer Funding of Religious (Christian) Schools

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Two Cases: Carson v. Makin (2022)

In his majority opinion, Roberts wrote that the State violated the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause by preventing religious observers from receiving public benefits. He cited various cases where the court struck down actions that did so, such as Espinoza and Trinity Lutheran. He wrote that the Maine legislature excluded "private religious schools from those eligible to receive such funds" and that such exclusion separates church and state more than intended under the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution. He wrote that, on the basis of Zelman, "a benefit program under which private citizens 'direct government aid to religious schools wholly as a result of their own genuine and independent private choice' does not offend the Establishment Clause." The Court ruled that Maine purposely "identif[ies] and exclude{S} otherwise eligible schools on the basis of their religious exercise" and that that is "discrimination against religion".
That's some crazy, convoluted bullshit to get around the establishment clause. But it gets worse. Next month we have...

Oklahoma Virtual Charter School Board v. Drummond
The case arises out of a 2023 decision by the Oklahoma Charter School Board to approve a Catholic school’s application for charter school funding, making it the first religious charter school in the country. The board’s action drew immediate condemnation. BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler warned that “funding private religious schools with public dollars violates core legal principles protecting religious freedom for all.” Even Oklahoma’s own Attorney General blasted the move as “contrary to Oklahoma law and not in the best interest of taxpayers.” The Oklahoma Supreme Court agreed, striking down the charter school approval as unconstitutional under both the Oklahoma and U.S. Constitutions.

Despite those warning signs, the Supreme Court decided to review the decision. After troubling rulings requiring state funding to include religious institutions in Trinity Lutheran (2017), Espinoza (2020), and Carson (2022), will the Court finally find a religious funding line they won’t cross?

You need to read some of the twisted, illogical sophistry from judges that led to these cases reaching SCOTUS:


With or without an opt-out right, the parents remain free to pursue their sacred obligations to instruct their children in their faiths. Even if their children’s exposure to religiously offensive ideas makes the parents’ efforts less likely to succeed, that does not amount to a government-imposed burden on their religious exercise.
The case arises out of a 2023 decision by the Oklahoma Charter School Board to approve a Catholic school’s application for charter school funding, making it the first religious charter school in the country. The board’s action drew immediate condemnation. BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler warned that “funding private religious schools with public dollars violates core legal principles protecting religious freedom for all.” Even Oklahoma’s own Attorney General blasted the move as “contrary to Oklahoma law and not in the best interest of taxpayers.” The Oklahoma Supreme Court agreed, striking down the charter school approval as unconstitutional under both the Oklahoma and U.S. Constitutions.
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Constitution? We don't need no stinkin' constitution!
 
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It is important to take control of all societal foundations.

Private religious schools are one of those institutions that must be brought under government control. Making government money available, or rather making private religious schools grow dependent on government money is the surest way to accomplish this. Once they decide to include government money in their budget projections, strings can be attached to that money.

At that point, the schools will either comply with the new rules (just a few at first) or they will forfeit the funds. Eventually, the private schools will teach what the government dictates exclusively.
 
It is important to take control of all societal foundations.

Private religious schools are one of those institutions that must be brought under government control. Making government money available, or rather making private religious schools grow dependent on government money is the surest way to accomplish this. Once they decide to include government money in their budget projections, strings can be attached to that money.

At that point, the schools will either comply with the new rules (just a few at first) or they will forfeit the funds. Eventually, the private schools will teach what the government dictates exclusively.
This is the part I am not sure of. I am sure that more cases will be filed in appellate courts when govts decide to try, but I am not sure how those cases will be decided as long as a Trump administration is appointing judgeships.
 
Pity they never passed the national Blaine Amendment.
The Blaine Amendment was a failed amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would have prohibited direct government aid to educational institutions that have a religious affiliation. Most state constitutions already had such provisions, and thirty-eight of the fifty states have clauses that prohibit taxpayer funding of religious entities in their state constitutions.

The measures were designed to deny government aid to parochial schools, especially those operated by the Catholic Church in locations with large immigrant populations.[1] They emerged from a growing consensus among 19th-century U.S. Protestants that public education must be free from "sectarian' or "denominational' control, while it also reflected nativist tendencies hostile to immigrants.[2]

The amendments are generally seen as explicitly anti-Catholic because when they were enacted public schools typically included Protestant prayer, and taught from Protestant bibles, although debates about public funding of sectarian schools predate any significant Catholic immigration to the U.S.[3] Thus, at the time of the Blaine amendments, public schools were not non-sectarian or non-denominational in the modern sense; nor were they completely secular.
 
That's some crazy, convoluted bullshit to get around the establishment clause.

No it isn't.

The state is providing funds to parents, and the parents choose the school. If the parents choose a religious school, there is no violation of the establishment clause. It's no different from a person who receives snap benefits choosing to buy kosher or halal food.
 
It is important to take control of all societal foundations.

Private religious schools are one of those institutions that must be brought under government control. Making government money available, or rather making private religious schools grow dependent on government money is the surest way to accomplish this. Once they decide to include government money in their budget projections, strings can be attached to that money.

At that point, the schools will either comply with the new rules (just a few at first) or they will forfeit the funds. Eventually, the private schools will teach what the government dictates exclusively.

This was always my argument against accepting gov funds when my daughters attended a Catholic Academy. I can see a deduction against taxes that go to public schools, but direct funding opens up the government influence that you are fleeing in a private school.
 
No it isn't.

The state is providing funds to parents, and the parents choose the school. If the parents choose a religious school, there is no violation of the establishment clause. It's no different from a person who receives snap benefits choosing to buy kosher or halal food.
That's some crazy, convoluted bullshit to get around the establishment clause.
 
This was always my argument against accepting gov funds when my daughters attended a Catholic Academy. I can see a deduction against taxes that go to public schools, but direct funding opens up the government influence that you are fleeing in a private school.
This is exactly how the states have forfeited their constitutional sovereignty.

Back in the 1950s federal agencies kept losing court cases to the states based on the 10th amendment. To overcome this problem, they convinced Congress to "bring home the bacon" I.E., flood the states with federal money, contracts, and jobs. Everything from highway funds to urban renewal to education to research to speed limits. The states loved to lap up those federal dollars, but then eventually the strings were attached and the states were at the mercy of the feds.

Either do as the feds say or say bye bye to the federal money. We all know what the states do. If private schools take government money, they will suffer the same fate.
 
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It is important to take control of all societal foundations.

Private religious schools are one of those institutions that must be brought under government control. Making government money available, or rather making private religious schools grow dependent on government money is the surest way to accomplish this. Once they decide to include government money in their budget projections, strings can be attached to that money.

At that point, the schools will either comply with the new rules (just a few at first) or they will forfeit the funds. Eventually, the private schools will teach what the government dictates exclusively.
School choice, vouchers, avoid the dependence on government funding. Parents decide where the tax dollars will be spent.
 
School choice, vouchers, avoid the dependence on government funding. Parents decide where the tax dollars will be spent.
The GQP has always hated public schools because their religious bullshit isn't allowed in them.
 
That's some crazy, convoluted bullshit to get around the establishment clause.

If the government gives you a welfare check, and you use the money to buy a bible and donate the rest to your church, does that violate the establishment clause?
 
The Blaine Amendment was a failed amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would have prohibited direct government aid to educational institutions that have a religious affiliation. Most state constitutions already had such provisions, and thirty-eight of the fifty states have clauses that prohibit taxpayer funding of religious entities in their state constitutions.

The measures were designed to deny government aid to parochial schools, especially those operated by the Catholic Church in locations with large immigrant populations.[1] They emerged from a growing consensus among 19th-century U.S. Protestants that public education must be free from "sectarian' or "denominational' control, while it also reflected nativist tendencies hostile to immigrants.[2]

The amendments are generally seen as explicitly anti-Catholic because when they were enacted public schools typically included Protestant prayer, and taught from Protestant bibles, although debates about public funding of sectarian schools predate any significant Catholic immigration to the U.S.[3] Thus, at the time of the Blaine amendments, public schools were not non-sectarian or non-denominational in the modern sense; nor were they completely secular.

While the Blaine Amendment was originally targeted at Catholic schools, it would have had a much broader swath today, applying to all religious schools.

In the 1870's, many of the public schools had a significant Protestant tilt. Many used the original McDuffie Readers, which (unlike the more familiar 1880's edition) had a very Calvinistic tone.

Obviously, the religious stuff has long since been purged from the public schools and Catholic and Protestant schools are both seeking to latch onto the government teat. A national Blaine Amendment would have worked equally well against both.
 
What the hell happened with the strike through line? My apologies.
Looks like it was a result of an 's' in brackets. A cited opinion said "identify and exclude," where the context of the sentence in the opinion doing the citing needed the words to be "identifies and excludes," so they made the common editing choice to note the replacement of tense with brackets:
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"identif[ies] and exclude[s]."

Aside from using code brackets, I'm not sure how to get the forum software to ignore what usually is meant as a formatting notation in the rarer case it's intended as an editing notation. I use this somewhat regularly, always being cautious to refrain from using the notation above for this very reason.
 
The GQP has always hated public schools because their religious bullshit isn't allowed in them.
Arguably the single most important constituency for the Democrat party is the teachers union. Anything that threatens teachers union bosses control over public schools and by extension the flow of $ into union coffers and then to Democrat campaign donations
 
After troubling rulings requiring state funding to include religious institutions in Trinity Lutheran (2017), Espinoza (2020), and Carson (2022), will the Court finally find a religious funding line they won’t cross?
I'm curious: what was it about Trinity Lutheran that you found "troubling?" All it concluded was that money available for a specific purpose cannot be withheld from an otherwise-eligible entity just because that entity worships a sky fairy. Specifically, there was a state grant to establishments with playgrounds to replace their hard surfaces with shredded rubber (I think). If a daycare center was eligible for such a grant, why not a church? The first amendment prohibits favoring, but it also prohibits disfavoring religious institutions.

So, why do you think the first amendment should disallow a group from receiving public funds available to others for no reason other than their sky fairy association?
 
I'm curious: what was it about Trinity Lutheran that you found "troubling?" All it concluded was that money available for a specific purpose cannot be withheld from an otherwise-eligible entity just because that entity worships a sky fairy. Specifically, there was a state grant to establishments with playgrounds to replace their hard surfaces with shredded rubber (I think). If a daycare center was eligible for such a grant, why not a church? The first amendment prohibits favoring, but it also prohibits disfavoring religious institutions.

So, why do you think the first amendment should disallow a group from receiving public funds available to others for no reason other than their sky fairy association?
Because that's what the 1st Amendment says. Worship your sky fairy on your own dime. Bad enough you roll tax free.
 
Because that's what the 1st Amendment says.
It says there shall be no establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What is it about a grant to replace hard play surfaces with shredded rubber that "establishes" a religion, particularly when the grant is available to anyone with a playground?

Worship your sky fairy on your own dime. Bad enough you roll tax free.
I wasn't aware replacing hard play surfaces with shredded rubber constituted worship of a sky fairy, regardless of whose dime pays for it.
 
It says there shall be no establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What is it about a grant to replace hard play surfaces with shredded rubber that "establishes" a religion, particularly when the grant is available to anyone with a playground?
Religious schools are required by law to have playgrounds, Therefore, it is their responsibility to pay for the playgrounds, The playgrounds are just as much a part of the school as the class rooms. It's all one school.
I wasn't aware replacing hard play surfaces with shredded rubber constituted worship of a sky fairy, regardless of whose dime pays for it.
Now you're aware.
 
Religious schools are required by law to have playgrounds, Therefore, it is their responsibility to pay for the playgrounds, The playgrounds are just as much a part of the school as the class rooms. It's all one school.
But it's a playground. It's not worship, even if you say it is. Where do you get this notion that religious institutions can be discriminated against in the receipt of public services generally available to anyone else?
 
Arguably the single most important constituency for the Democrat party is the teachers union. Anything that threatens teachers union bosses control over public schools and by extension the flow of $ into union coffers and then to Democrat campaign donations
That is typical republispewage.
 
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