Don't feel sorry so fast.
Add to that $5 trillion in new debt, stagnant economy and over 1 million filing new jobless claims per month vs 169,000 new jobs an what do you get?
I can see you are unfamiliar with the health care bill. Folks making more than 133% of the Federal Poverty Level and you pay for insurance or pay the $600 a year tax. A single person making over $14,856 would have to pay for insurance (on $14,856, really?) or $600 tax. A married couple with no kids making over $20,122 a year would be required to pay for insurance for 2 or the tax for 2. A family of 4, 2 adults and 2 kids making over $30,656 a year would have to buy insurance for 4 or pay double the tax for the adults. I'm sure all of them will think this is a really good idea when they vote in November.
Where were you guys during the court case? I'm sure if you'd presented your arguments to the court they'd side with you. I honestly wonder why SCOTUS never listens to all the critics. I'm not saying they're infallible - but I doubt the arguments you guys are making were radically different from those made in court. If the courts didn't listen to the team of high powered attorneys - why would they listen to you? Why did ROBERTS a supposed "Constitutionalist" side with Obama?
I tried to warn folks not to get too far ahead of themselves and think they already know the outcome. What I hope is that they go back to work and craft something better. UHC would be best. A public option second best. But we'll just have to see how it plays out.
That's your subjective opinion to which you are entitled. I don't agree with you about the motivating effect of this decision. No one can deny that $500 billion is being transferred from Medicare to Obamacare. The de facto impact is to transfer health care from white seniors to non-whites. This is the basis for deep resentment. Resentment is the basis for political action.
Political speech often hurts the feelings of others. This is regrettable, but is a necessary predicate for political organization and action. African America has shown the way in which resentment can be used for political purposes. In doing so the precedent was established.
Was today's decision a defeat for Conservatives? Not necessarily, and here's why. What would definitely have been ruled Constitutional would have been to put EVERYBODY in the US under Medicare, thus giving us a system just like Canada's. Medicare is already settled law, and the only thing that would have to be done is merely changing the age from 65 to 0. Obamacare may be upon us, but it could have been a lot worse, had the Democrats pushed for a change in Medicare and won.
Conservatives should not see todays ruling as either a victory or as a defeat. It's more like a tie in a football game, which is tantamount to having to kiss your sister. Liberals should see it the same way, since if they got what they wanted, Canada's system would be America's system too. And yes, today's ruling is an ugly looking sister too. :mrgreen:
And Roberts helped them.
Folks at the low end of the scale will have to pay something towards their insurance, but it's subsidized on a sliding scale, with the subsidy phasing out as income rises. Would you prefer that they just get free health care?
Folks at the low end of the scale will have to pay something towards their insurance, but it's subsidized on a sliding scale, with the subsidy phasing out as income rises. Would you prefer that they just get free health care?
So this assault on our liberty wasn't staggering enough for you.
Sure.I think the Civil War turned out correctly.
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So is hypocrisy, and this isn't about love.All is fair in love and war.
Picking the worst from multiple sources isn't what I call eclectic.Actually, my views are so eclectic that you probably haven't encountered someone like me who draws from both left and right.
And that totally blows me away. I never could have seen this in a million years.
Actually Medicare for all would have been much, much better, and I hope we are heading into that direction.
Actually Medicare for all would have been much, much better, and I hope we are heading into that direction.
And I must say, it is amazing that John Roberts, who was GWB's nominee and the Chief Justice, is the one who made the deciding vote. Fun times we live in.
Consider for a moment what was really done. "Private" medical insurance now must provide whatever benefits (minimum AND maximum) that the gov't dictates, in ALL states. Also congress may limit the maximum premium AND "overhead" costs that "private" insurance companies may charge. If the gov't requires "private" insurance companies to provide $7K average annual benefits per insured, yet restricts their premiums to $7K max annually, they close their doors, as profit is then impossible. About 90% of medical insurance is now provided as an employer paid benefit, that will drop to about 70% under ObamaCare INITIALLY, but fall very fast as ALL premiums will soon rise to the gov't impossed maximum limit, causing more and more employers to drop that benefit in favor of the MUCH less expensive fine. This is VERY good for the gov't, as what was a tax free employer benefit is now paid by after tax employee money, creating a HUGE windfall in FIT and FICA tax revenues. Hmm...
And that totally blows me away. I never could have seen this in a million years.
Your HC will cost you less, if you want to pay more.....you can...if you want.It would have been better to leave my health care alone. Then I wouldn't be so resentful. The military budget could have been cut in order to provide health care coverage for the uninsured. It wasn't necessary to harm me and people similarly situated in order to expand health care coverage.
The Dubya's legacy is intact.
Again, you are making it a race issue, it doesn't fly, it doesn't motivate your side and makes you look really bad. But please....don't stop, that helps my side.
The Dubya's legacy is intact.
Your HC will cost you less, if you want to pay more.....you can...if you want.
You are entitled to your opinion. To the extent your side organizes for solidarity against my side the divisions in this country will be exacerbated.
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