Scott Atlas and "herd immunity" Denounced by Stanford Doctors

jpn · Sep 16, 2020

Scott Atlas is Trump's new favorite Fox News talking head. Atlas, despite not being an epidemiologist, has been shooting his mouth off about how "herd immunity" (or, has Trump says, "herd mentality") is great and wearing masks is bad.

Now Trump's all in on "herd mentality."

But, unfortunately for the nation, Stanford experts say Atlas is a wackjob.

Stanford doctors denounce former colleague Scott Atlas, Trump's new adviser on the COVID-19 pandemic

SAN JOSE, Calif. — In the tight-knit world of academic medicine, scientists pride themselves on presenting a united and unflappable face to those outside their ranks.

But this week, in a scathing letter, dozens of Stanford University Medical School's top faculty took aim at their former colleague Dr. Scott Atlas for promoting what they called "falsehoods and misrepresentations of science."

Atlas, a diagnostic radiologist and senior fellow at the conservative think tank Hoover Institution, was recently appointed by President Donald Trump to the White House coronavirus task force.

As an adviser counselor to the president about the virus, he has made controversial statements about control of the pandemic, which has killed more than 178,000 Americans.

"Many of his opinions and statements run counter to established science and, by doing so, undermine public health authorities and the credible science that guides effective public health policy," according to the letter, signed by Dr. Philip A. Pizzo, former dean of Stanford School of Medicine; Dr. Upi Singh, chief of Stanford's Division of Infectious Diseases; and Dr. Bonnie Maldonado, professor of epidemiology and population health, and 105 others.

The punchline:

The Stanford faculty challenge his assertions, saying the preponderance of data shows that that the safest path to herd immunity is through deployment of safe vaccines, not infection; crowded indoor spaces can significantly boost the risk of viral spread; and that illness in children, while uncommon, can lead to serious short-term and long-term consequences.

In contrast, encouraging herd immunity through unchecked community transmission is not a safe public health strategy. In fact, this approach would do the opposite, causing a significant increase in preventable cases, suffering and deaths, especially among vulnerable populations, such as older individuals and essential workers.

We don't even know if having been infected by the virus once, gives us immunity from the infection.

But if we assume that being infected grants immunity, which we don't really know, for herd immunity to work we'd need about 70 percent of the population to get infected. That would be about 215 million Americans to get infected. So at a mortality rate of about 3 percent, that would come to around 6.4 million American deaths.

That's the Trump plan right now.

bongsaway · Sep 16, 2020

Astonishing. Best case scenario, over two million dead. Just wow!

Phys251 · Sep 16, 2020

jpn said:
Scott Atlas is Trump's new favorite Fox News talking head. Atlas, despite not being an epidemiologist, has been shooting his mouth off about how "herd immunity" (or, has Trump says, "herd mentality") is great and wearing masks is bad.

Now Trump's all in on "herd mentality."

But, unfortunately for the nation, Stanford experts say Atlas is a wackjob.

The punchline:

We don't even know if having been infected by the virus once, gives us immunity from the infection.

But if we assume that being infected grants immunity, which we don't really know, for herd immunity to work we'd need about 70 percent of the population to get infected. That would be about 215 million Americans to get infected. So at a mortality rate of about 3 percent, that would come to around 6.4 million American deaths.

That's the Trump plan right now.

Advocating for "herd immunity" before the vaccine comes is advocating for genocide.

Crosscheck · Sep 16, 2020

"You'll develop like a herd mentality — it's going to be herd-developed, and that's going to happen," he said.

Oh yes, sharp as a butter knife that Don is.

Trump floats 'herd mentality' coronavirus strategy — instead of immunity — and again insists the disease will disappear

jpn · Sep 16, 2020

bongsaway said:
Astonishing. Best case scenario, over two million dead. Just wow!

Yes. If somehow we get the mortality rate down to "only" 1 percent, that would still mean over 2 million dead.

To Trump, safe behind his phalanx of Secret Service army, this is the best way to make America great again.

I guess because the stock market won't be as badly hit. Wow.

Chomsky · Sep 16, 2020

jpn said:
Scott Atlas is Trump's new favorite Fox News talking head. Atlas, despite not being an epidemiologist, has been shooting his mouth off about how "herd immunity" (or, has Trump says, "herd mentality") is great and wearing masks is bad.

Now Trump's all in on "herd mentality."

But, unfortunately for the nation, Stanford experts say Atlas is a wackjob.

The punchline:

We don't even know if having been infected by the virus once, gives us immunity from the infection.

But if we assume that being infected grants immunity, which we don't really know, for herd immunity to work we'd need about 70 percent of the population to get infected. That would be about 215 million Americans to get infected. So at a mortality rate of about 3 percent, that would come to around 6.4 million American deaths.

That's the Trump plan right now.

Herd immunity is a clinical way of saying,

"let the virus run free and kill all it can, until there's none left to kill"

Don't let anyone fool you. That's really what it is. Letting the virus kill everyone it can. Then, we're 'done'. It's an amazingly selfish act.

Chomsky · Sep 16, 2020

Crosscheck said:
Oh yes, sharp as a butter knife that Don is.

Trump floats 'herd mentality' coronavirus strategy — instead of immunity — and again insists the disease will disappear

Yes, it may disappear. After it kills everyone it can, and there's no one left! :doh

lurchadams · Sep 16, 2020

jpn said:
Scott Atlas is Trump's new favorite Fox News talking head. Atlas, despite not being an epidemiologist, has been shooting his mouth off about how "herd immunity" (or, has Trump says, "herd mentality") is great and wearing masks is bad.

Now Trump's all in on "herd mentality."

But, unfortunately for the nation, Stanford experts say Atlas is a wackjob.

The punchline:

We don't even know if having been infected by the virus once, gives us immunity from the infection.

But if we assume that being infected grants immunity, which we don't really know, for herd immunity to work we'd need about 70 percent of the population to get infected. That would be about 215 million Americans to get infected. So at a mortality rate of about 3 percent, that would come to around 6.4 million American deaths.

That's the Trump plan right now.

trump and faux news are literally killing Americans.

Hamish Howl · Sep 16, 2020

The other Trump plan is retreating to fantasyland.

Trump disputes health officials, sees mass vaccinations soon

Thom Paine · Sep 16, 2020

"Many of his opinions and statements run counter to established science .... "

hahahahahah... "Established Science".... hshhhahahahahahah..
"Established science" said the earth was the center of the universe.
Preponderance of evidence is NOT "Established Science"
Not one "expert has been any more correct than another who was equally wrong.

When he was at Stanford he was knowledgaeble... but now he isn't !

This thread should be in the humor forum....

Hamish Howl · Sep 16, 2020

Thom Paine said:
"Many of his opinions and statements run counter to established science .... "

hahahahahah... "Established Science".... hshhhahahahahahah..
"Established science" said the earth was the center of the universe.
Preponderance of evidence is NOT "Established Science"
Not one "expert has been any more correct than another who was equally wrong.

When he was at Stanford he was knowledgaeble... but now he isn't !

This thread should be in the humor forum....

Since when was Aristotle established science?

Thom Paine · Sep 16, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
Since when was Aristotle established science?

EXACTLY !
You're the first to make the connection within my statement likening it to so called Established Science of covid 19 and the absurdity of that "established science" statement.
congratulations.

Hamish Howl · Sep 16, 2020

Thom Paine said:
EXACTLY !
You're the first to make the connection within my statement likening it to so called Established Science of covid 19 and the absurdity of that "established science" statement.
congratulations.

So, wait. You're saying that modern epidemiology does not apply the scientific method, as Aristotle did not?

Is that your final answer?

Thom Paine · Sep 16, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
So, wait. You're saying that modern epidemiology does not apply the scientific method, as Aristotle did not?

Is that your final answer?

No
yes

Hamish Howl · Sep 16, 2020

Thom Paine said:
No
yes

Then what are you saying? I mean, aside from a giant pile of solipsism.

Aunt Antifa · Sep 16, 2020

Chomsky said:
Herd immunity is a clinical way of saying,

"let the virus run free and kill all it can, until there's none left to kill"

Don't let anyone fool you. That's really what it is. Letting the virus kill everyone it can. Then, we're 'done'. It's an amazingly selfish act.

You know Trump is your leader when the best solution you can come up with is “everyone just die.”

Hamish Howl · Sep 17, 2020

Aunt Antifa said:
You know Trump is your leader when the best solution you can come up with is “everyone just die.”

"Just let the virus work its way through the population."

1. Was that Donald Trump or Boris Johnson?

2. Does it matter?

AZCardsfan · Sep 17, 2020

Crosscheck said:
Oh yes, sharp as a butter knife that Don is.

Trump floats 'herd mentality' coronavirus strategy — instead of immunity — and again insists the disease will disappear

Actually he is correct, and "Herd Mentality" is already working wonderfully among his cultists.

Comments I read daily on the internet

It's a democratic hoax to bring down Trump.
It's all over blown.
No worse than the flu etc.

My Wife's Uncle dead
My Son-in-Laws Grandfather dead
Wife's ex-coworker (Nurse) dead with no known pre-existing conditions.

But it's all a over blown world wide hoax to bring down Trump.

Thom Paine · Sep 17, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
Then what are you saying? I mean, aside from a giant pile of solipsism.

Giant pile of Solipsism ? I always assume a person has familiarity with the words he chooses; so....
Tell ya' what pal ... you address me without insults and an answer may be returned
should I choose.

justabubba · Sep 17, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
"Just let the virus work its way through the population."

1. Was that Donald Trump or Boris Johnson?

2. Does it matter?

i believe the guy with the good hair said that

jpn · Sep 17, 2020

justabubba said:
i believe the guy with the good hair said that

Wow, that doesn't clear it up at all!!!

Trump or Johnson. I wouldn't be caught dead with either's hair!

Hamish Howl · Sep 17, 2020

justabubba said:
i believe the guy with the good hair said that

Actually, it was Boris Johnson's first public comment on Covid19.

Hamish Howl · Sep 17, 2020

Thom Paine said:
Giant pile of Solipsism ? I always assume a person has familiarity with the words he chooses; so....
Tell ya' what pal ... you address me without insults and an answer may be returned
should I choose.

How about no?

Thom Paine · Sep 17, 2020

justabubba said:
i believe the guy with the good hair said that

Now That's Funny ! Good one ! :lamo

CaughtInThe · Sep 17, 2020

picking out con men (Rush/Trump/Sean/Jerry/Alex) and doing math doesn't seem to be the strength of the Q.

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