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Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

Beaudreaux

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/world/europe/scotland-independence-vote.html?_r=0
 
I think this was the correct decision on behalf of Scotland.

But this should be a big sign that the bridge needs to be repaired or else, the next time this happens, it may collapse.
 
Rainman05 said:
I think this was the correct decision on behalf of Scotland.

But this should be a big sign that the bridge needs to be repaired or else, the next time this happens, it may collapse.
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Just watched the leader of the Nationalist party, and he said basically the same thing in his speech.
 
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Rainman05 said:
I think this was the correct decision on behalf of Scotland.

But this should be a big sign that the bridge needs to be repaired or else, the next time this happens, it may collapse.
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Yup, I agree. This isnt just a big wake up call for the UK but for Europe as well. Now I only wish America would do the same too-there needs to be some serious political change, not the faux change that Obama voters thought they were having.
 
Democracy has spoken.

Respect and credit to all of the voters for the high turnouts and making sure their voices were heard.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Well, that certainly makes things a lot simpler.

I think that union is ultimately in the best interests of both Scotland and UK in general. I simply hope that this vote doesn't set the stage for anything worse further down the road.
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Agreed.
 
PoS said:
Yup, I agree. This isnt just a big wake up call for the UK but for Europe as well. Now I only wish America would do the same too-there needs to be some serious political change, not the faux change that Obama voters thought they were having.
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Well it should make the European Commission consider putting forward some sort of legislation regarding what happens if a country splits up. Catalonias' referendum may not turn up this way.

Beaudreaux said:
Just watched the leader of the Nationalist party, and he said basically the same thing in his speech.
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well it's like, you know... what he would say to look good and save some face.

I'm saying it to be a... you know... a smartass.
 
Serenity said:
Democracy has spoken.

Respect and credit to all of the voters for the high turnouts and making sure their voices were heard.
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It's not that straightforward Serenity. There have been allegations of corruption, voter intimidation and other such things. There will have to be an investigation, ofc, as they are just allegations, but yeah... it wasn't "clean".
 
America can only imagine what it's like to have this kind of turn-out.
Or even the turn-out in your country in regular elections.
You can't imagine what people say to me when I make calls or talk to them .

Serenity said:
Democracy has spoken.

Respect and credit to all of the voters for the high turnouts and making sure their voices were heard.
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I'm sure based, on my interactions with every Scot I've ever met across the globe, the reality of what they were about to do suddenly became clear as they entered the voting booth

Vote Yes: What, you mean, no English to blame for everything?.....Nightmarish
 
The outcome was the best for Scotland, the UK and the US. I'm actually surprised it was that close even though the polls indicated it would be.
 
This has been perhaps the most democratic poll ever held. Without any sanction for non-participation, 85% of eligible voters voted. Stunning turnout!
 
Just because they voted 'no' this time...doesn't mean they will next time.

In the long run, I am convinced Scotland will leave Great Britain.

I don't really much care either way, but I think it will happen.
 
Beaudreaux said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/world/europe/scotland-independence-vote.html?_r=0
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How come I post this first and you still get more posts?

People like you more I guess

DA60 said:
Just because they voted 'no' this time...doesn't mean they will next time.

In the long run, I am convinced Scotland will leave Great Britain.

I don't really much care either way, but I think it will happen.
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How often can you do that?


It also doesn't hurt that they pretty much got everything they wanted just before the vote.
 
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Anyone who's not happy in the USA always has the option to hit the road.

The entrance to the exit is wide open.
I predict that Scotland will not be repeating this vote any time soon. It wasn't even close.
 



I seriously doubt that Spain will ever permit a referendum on independence to be held in Catalonia.

And I also seriously doubt that Catalonia will ever be able to secede and defeat the Spanish military.

But I could be wrong, let's wait and see, eh?

Just what Europe needs: A second Spanish civil war. I wonder which side Germany will choose this time around.
 
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shrubnose said:
Anyone who's not happy in the USA always has the option to hit the road.
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I'm quite happy in the USA and hit the road as much as I can--Eisenhower's Audubons.
Yes we can learn a lot from what the UK just went through.

I still would love to see the President questioned by the House and Senate, Parliament style,
though the Kerry hearings the last two days were another circus.

I don't imagine the British Parliament would go on a 54 day vacation, when they're back at war as our Senate/House did today.
After working just two 4-day weeks preceeded by their previous 42-day vacation.
Nice optics to the 1,700 soldiers and their families in Iraq right now huh?
 

I think it's a measure of political maturity that the leadership of a state has the confidence to allow its constituent nationalities to decide whether to remain or to leave a political union. It's political immaturity to do what the PP in Spain are doing and say, despite the very clear will of a very large portion of Catalan society, "it's not for you to decide, it's for all of Spain, because that's what the constitution says."

A constitution is meant to be a tool for the people to use to govern themselves, not a hammer to knock them into acquiescence. I guess this is where the British can see the very real benefit of not having a codified constitution.
 
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