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Scot calls for secession from U.K.

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Scot calls for secession from U.K. | Charlottesville Daily Progress

Published: April 2, 2008 (Yes OK but Tartan Day was 6th April - within 48 hours, OK?)

The political leader of Scotland told a packed crowd at the University of Virginia on Tuesday that his nation deserves independence from Britain.

During his appearance in the Dome Room of the Rotunda, Alex Salmond, first minister of Scotland, praised Thomas Jefferson’s principles of self-governance and liberty, saying they underscore his argument that Scotland should secede and become its own country.

“Today, within the present constitutional arrangement, we do our utmost to improve the lives of the people of Scotland,” Salmond said. “And we know that, tomorrow, with full responsibility for our destiny, Scotland can become an even better nation. Our people more free, more prosperous and more secure. That is our vision. It’s not too different from the vision that Thomas Jefferson showed America in the Declaration of Independence.”

The British Embassy did not return a call Tuesday for comment. Many people in Britain oppose Scotland’s secession, including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, himself a Scot. According to the BBC, Brown has said that the United Kingdom would suffer economically and culturally without Scotland.

Salmond, who was elected last year, is the head of the Scottish National Party and is an advocate for a Scotland-wide referendum on independence in 2010. He visited UVa as part of a tour of the United States to promote the first Scotland Week, which started Sunday and highlights Scottish academic, business and cultural accomplishments.

Salmond’s visit marked the 10-year anniversary of the U.S. Senate’s passage of its Tartan Day Resolution that acknowledged that Scotland’s Declaration of Arbroath may have helped inspire the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Arbroath, sealed in 1320, stated that Scotland was independent from England and that Robert the Bruce was the true king of Scotland. The document is believed to be Europe’s statement of a contractual relationship between the government and the governed. If the Scottish king failed to protect the rights of his citizens, the document says, the people have the right to remove the monarch.

The Declaration of Arbroath presaged the Declaration of Independence by 450 years. It is fitting, Salmond said, that American ideals were inspired by Scotland, just as Scotland is now inspired by America principles in its drive for independence.

“It is to America that we can look to see the power of independence and the importance of democratic principles,” he said. “It is therefore to Thomas Jefferson that we can legitimately look for guidance on the principles and conduct of our national debate. And it is the words of Thomas Jefferson that will inspire today and in the years ahead: ‘We are capable of self-government, and worthy of it.’”

My comment is by partly way of my video based on news video seen in Scotland.

Tartan Day: Proclaiming the march to a Scottish Republic
YouTube - Tartan Day: Proclaiming the march to a Scottish Republic
Further comment can be located in
Scottish Republican News along the lines of -
Smart Alex
Two-timing Salmond kisses our new American sweetheart Nancy Pelosi before rushing back to his Queen Elizabeth.

Salmond kisses top American woman. No passion though.
etc.
 
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Scot who? :mrgreen:

Seriously, though, didn't Scotland become part of the United Kingdom due to a marriage among the Royals, and that the common people there have always have had issues?
 
As an Ex-Pat Brit, I would be 100% in favour of Scotland becoming a separate Country.
England would then have no need to pour in wealth in order to keep them afloat.
One question I would ask, would they wish to have HRH Queen Elizabeth 11 as their constitutional monarch?
 
the entire nation of Scotland is on public assistance from England

Ah.... A lie told often enough becomes truth

England would then have no need to pour in wealth

Or take natural resources out...

One question I would ask, would they wish to have HRH Queen Elizabeth 11 as their constitutional monarch?

Would "they"?

Who's that?

Personally I wouldn't, but most draft proposals endorsed by the SNP involve the British Monarch retaining her status as the head of state, similar to most former British dominions.


Danarea said:
Seriously, though, didn't Scotland become part of the United Kingdom due to a marriage among the Royals, and that the common people there have always have had issues?

No, Scotland became part of Great Britain after the act of Union in 1707, we shared the same monarch for about a hundred years previous to that though.

The Union was pretty unpopular in the beginning, but as the benefits of the British Empire were felt it grew in popuarity, then when that started to collapse it became less popular, WW 1&2 brought the Union closer together, but a lot of people these days can't see a real purpose for it.

I watched the speech, it was pretty cliched but still had a lot of good points. It wasn't very big news here and I doubt it was even a footnote in America.
 
Ah.... A lie told often enough becomes truth



Or take natural resources out...



Would "they"?

Who's that?

Personally I wouldn't, but most draft proposals endorsed by the SNP involve the British Monarch retaining her status as the head of state, similar to most former British dominions.




No, Scotland became part of Great Britain after the act of Union in 1707, we shared the same monarch for about a hundred years previous to that though.

The Union was pretty unpopular in the beginning, but as the benefits of the British Empire were felt it grew in popuarity, then when that started to collapse it became less popular, WW 1&2 brought the Union closer together, but a lot of people these days can't see a real purpose for it.

I watched the speech, it was pretty cliched but still had a lot of good points. It wasn't very big news here and I doubt it was even a footnote in America.

Unfortunately, the winner of Dancing with the Stars was probably bigger news here in America.
 
Ah.... A lie told often enough becomes truth



Or take natural resources out...



Would "they"?

Who's that?

Personally I wouldn't, but most draft proposals endorsed by the SNP involve the British Monarch retaining her status as the head of state, similar to most former British dominions.




No, Scotland became part of Great Britain after the act of Union in 1707, we shared the same monarch for about a hundred years previous to that though.

The Union was pretty unpopular in the beginning, but as the benefits of the British Empire were felt it grew in popuarity, then when that started to collapse it became less popular, WW 1&2 brought the Union closer together, but a lot of people these days can't see a real purpose for it.

I watched the speech, it was pretty cliched but still had a lot of good points. It wasn't very big news here and I doubt it was even a footnote in America.

Listen my entire ancestry is Scottish and I'm fairly proud of it but Scotland is the armpit of the UK. Glasgow and Edinburgh are total pits and Scottish people tend to be a bunch of drunk hooligans.

Stay with the British, they're the ones building your council estates.
 
Glasgow and Edinburgh are total pits and Scottish people tend to be a bunch of drunk hooligans.

:rolleyes:

Have you ever been to Edinburgh?

It's the second richest city in Britain, richer than most American cities. Got a thing called history too. I've been to plenty of cities all over the world and I can say quite honestly that Edinburgh takes some beating!

Stay with the British, they're the ones building your council estates.

Stay with the "British"? At least put some thought into your wind ups. We are the British. Even without a Union with England we'd still technically be British.
 
I've been to Edinburgh a few times although admittedly I've spent more time in Glasgow because that's where my family lives.

Edinburgh isn't an industrial waste land like Glasgow but it's small and boring.

Glasgow is wretched.

Kids hammered on cider in the middle of the day is a pretty disturbing thing to see, and I'm not exactly from a place known for its urban charm.
 
Scotland is rich in resources, but I doubt a full secession at the moment would provide anything other than a decrease in the value of its existence. It'll never happen, anyway; English interest in Scottish affairs is far too valuable. Great autonomy, perhaps, but secession? I doubt it.
 
Edinburgh isn't an industrial waste land like Glasgow but it's small and boring.

The metropolitan area is about 1.25 million. That's plenty big enough for me. During the festival it's more like 1.75 million too.

You should go on Hogmanay and say it's boring.

Glasgow is wretched.

If you're as cynical and arrogant in real life as you are on these boards Glasgow would be wretched for you. If you're respecful and friendly Glasweigans are by and large extremly friendly back. They're even called the "Friendly City" - admittedly mainly by themsleves though :mrgreen: .
 
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