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Scientists warn that greenhouse gas accumulation is accelerating and more extreme weather will come

Bullshit.

They could have learned from us. We had already powered up a nerlay pollution free coal plant some time back, and they built in excess dirty coal plants.

They had the technology available. When we expanded, we did not.

Stop protecting an evil nation.
Not bullshit.

The US was the leader in CO2 emissions for a century before China took over... and when China became the leader it isn't like the US stopped putting CO2 into the atmosphere.

The policy that has won out when it comes to climate change is to do nothing and drill baby drill.

We are starting to see the accelerated effects of that now.
CO2 is not a problem. Stop listening to the lies. Can you cite in your own words any of the science to prove to yourself that the lies you are told, are correct?
Yeah it is. It is the most prevalent greenhouse gas that is put into the atmosphere by human industrial activity.

We could have been spending the last thirty years developing technology that would be the next next generation of power production and distrobution but that would have cut into short term profits so we didn't do that and instead ceded that technology to other nations... China being one of them... to develop and capitalize on.

This is all self inflicted.
 
Jerome Powell stated swaths of the U.S. won’t be able to get a mortgage within the next decade. A lot of really boring insurance conferences now detail the very scary expectations for insurability due to climate change over the next 20 years. Sky isn’t going anywhere, just Americans ability to get insurance due to climate change.
The cost of not doing anything about climate change is going to start hitting normal people's pocket books in my lifetime.

It is going to happen faster than people expected.
 
The second point is that we didn't even know with any certainty how much the earth has warmed. the Urban Heat Island Effect skews the meteorological stations. the science attempts to correct the skew out, but the fact is we do not have the ability to do so accurately.
There is temperature modeling happening on a global scale.

The models from data collected from basically everywhere on the planet all point to the same thing.

A pretty rapid rise in the average of global temperature.

Denial that warming is happening is pretty silly at this point.
 
Has anyone actually come up with a comprehensive plan that would be likely to stop or even slow global warming before the point of no return, without bankrupting the world economy? One that the vast majority of people on the planet would accept if they knew all the immediate repercussions?
Stop melting the ice caps with clack carbon. Force China and other nations spewing such pollutants to stop.

It isn't the CO2, it is what comes with inefficient burning and not scrubbing emissions.

These aerosols also change the formation and precipitation of clouds, altering that part in our climate. Stopping soot is the cheapest thing we can do, and then see if we need to do more.
 
Jerome Powell stated swaths of the U.S. won’t be able to get a mortgage within the next decade. A lot of really boring insurance conferences now detail the very scary expectations for insurability due to climate change over the next 20 years. Sky isn’t going anywhere, just Americans ability to get insurance due to climate change.
Our problems with insurance are more complex than just any climate change. How about ridiculous insurance payouts by juries? How about suburban sprawl and more cars on the road? How about allowing building in flood zones, tornado zones, on ocean barrier islands up to the water line? Most major catastrophic disasters involving property can be alleviated by smarter planning and local ordinances. This is just another example of our ideas of too much freedom being over the top.
 
You think you are sounding logical until someone looks up the real data. China is also the biggest producer of green energy and unlike the US has fully invested in its production. The people that are saying "drill baby drill" are the ones we need to address so stop with the smokescreen. You don't want to reduce greenhouse gases you want to blame others instead.

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

In 2020, for example, China pledged to reach 1,200 gigawatts of renewables capacity by 2030, more than double its capacity at that time. At its present pace, it will meet that target by 2025, and could boast as much as 1,000 gigawatts of solar power alone by the end of 2026, an achievement that would make a substantial contribution to the 11,000 gigawatts of installed renewable capacity that the world needs to meet the 2030 targets of the Paris Agreement. Fossil fuels now make up less than half of China’s total installed generation capacity, a dramatic reduction from a decade ago when fossil fuels accounted for two-thirds of its power capacity.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy
Nice propaganda piece, but we should not forget that the people they are lifting out of poverty are glad to have power. even though it is cyclical and not always there for them.

Could you imagine if we only had power when the sun shined or the wind was blowing?

They need to add power, and renewables are available as they grow. we didn't have that luxury during our need for fast growth.

Also, do not forget that China has more than four times the population we have, do if you adjust for population, they are not doing so well.

Why must you spout propaganda all the time?
 
There is temperature modeling happening on a global scale.

The models from data collected from basically everywhere on the planet all point to the same thing.

A pretty rapid rise in the average of global temperature.

Denial that warming is happening is pretty silly at this point.
Global warming isn’t real. Just ask Senator Inhofe, he can prove it. He has a snowball.
 
Stop melting the ice caps with clack carbon. Force China and other nations spewing such pollutants to stop.

It isn't the CO2, it is what comes with inefficient burning and not scrubbing emissions.

These aerosols also change the formation and precipitation of clouds, altering that part in our climate. Stopping soot is the cheapest thing we can do, and then see if we need to do more.

That's not a comprehensive plan. That's an aspiration.
 
Jerome Powell stated swaths of the U.S. won’t be able to get a mortgage within the next decade. A lot of really boring insurance conferences now detail the very scary expectations for insurability due to climate change over the next 20 years. Sky isn’t going anywhere, just Americans ability to get insurance due to climate change.
Have you factored in the way states are trying to regulate the insurance agencies?

The states have made requirements to insurers that have made them stop insuring in certain states. Not climate change.

I challenge you to see how California has regulated the fire insurers out.
 
It doesn't matter. I was pointing out a fact.
It does matter when people are reticent to changing US policy on energy production and distribution.

It is often used as an excuse that the US shouldn't act because of China and India when the truth of the matter is that the US put out the majority of the excess atmosheric CO2 from industrialization and it should be our responsibility to lead the world away from a fossil fuel based economy... but that wouldn't make rich people more rich so it doesn't happen.
 
Not bullshit.

The US was the leader in CO2 emissions for a century before China took over... and when China became the leader it isn't like the US stopped putting CO2 into the atmosphere.
This does not matter.

CO2 does not matter. What matters is the associate pollution that comes with burning coal, and other fossil fuels when you do not use the latest technology like we now do.

If you actually care for the biosphere of our planet, keep in mind that plant life loves more CO2.
The policy that has won out when it comes to climate change is to do nothing and drill baby drill.
In the USA, we have done for the most part what we can. Burning oil as a processed clean fuel is not a problem. Except for diesel. It does not burn clean.
We are starting to see the accelerated effects of that now.
If you believe the propaganda.
Yeah it is. It is the most prevalent greenhouse gas that is put into the atmosphere by human industrial activity.
Please learn the science instead of repeating propaganda you do not understands.
We could have been spending the last thirty years developing technology that would be the next next generation of power production and distrobution but that would have cut into short term profits so we didn't do that and instead ceded that technology to other nations... China being one of them... to develop and capitalize on.

This is all self inflicted.
More propaganda.
 
Have you factored in the way states are trying to regulate the insurance agencies?

The states have made requirements to insurers that have made them stop insuring in certain states. Not climate change.

I challenge you to see how California has regulated the fire insurers out.

You can’t get a mortgage in Florida, all the insurance problems there are 100% climate related. This isn’t a problem of over regulation, the insurance companies just cannot afford to operate in states where climate change is creating more and more emergencies.
 
Have you factored in the way states are trying to regulate the insurance agencies?

The states have made requirements to insurers that have made them stop insuring in certain states. Not climate change.

I challenge you to see how California has regulated the fire insurers out.
Damn those pesky states for insisting that insurance companies pay legitimate claims.
 
The cost of not doing anything about climate change is going to start hitting normal people's pocket books in my lifetime.

It is going to happen faster than people expected.
The rush to renewables is costing all of us. My electrical prices are up by around 40%, mostly because of wind power being added in my area.

We need to focus on actual pollution. Not CO2.
 
This does not matter.

CO2 does not matter. What matters is the associate pollution that comes with burning coal, and other fossil fuels when you do not use the latest technology like we now do.

If you actually care for the biosphere of our planet, keep in mind that plant life loves more CO2.
CO2 does matter since it leads to rapid global warming and climate change. As far as the thing about plants loving it... they don't love heat stress and shifting rain patterns that cause drought where there wasn't drought before and deluge where deluge didn't exist before.

The planet will eventually adapt to human activity but I have my doubts that humans will adapt very well to it.

In the USA, we have done for the most part what we can. Burning oil as a processed clean fuel is not a problem. Except for diesel. It does not burn clean.
Drill baby drill... and no... we haven't done what we can. We have given lip service to doing stuff but our economy is not shifting away from burning fossil fuels because that would cost money... and we got to keep those profits up.

If you believe the propaganda.
Nah... we are 100% living through it and every year it is going to get harder and harder to deny.

Please learn the science instead of repeating propaganda you do not understands.
What greenhouse gas is causing all of this then?
More propaganda.
How is saying that the US should have been the leader in new technology propaganda?
 
The rush to renewables is costing all of us. My electrical prices are up by around 40%, mostly because of wind power being added in my area.

We need to focus on actual pollution. Not CO2.
You are focusing in on a single aspect of what is driving climate change, which is putting excess CO2 in the atmosphere and ignoring all of the downstream costs of what is coming with a rapidly shifting climate.
 
There is temperature modeling happening on a global scale.

The models from data collected from basically everywhere on the planet all point to the same thing.

A pretty rapid rise in the average of global temperature.

Denial that warming is happening is pretty silly at this point.
The models are a construct of those wanting to justify an agenda, and they have CO2, too sensitive in them.

CO2 cannot do as much as claimed.

Are you capable of understanding the sciences? If so, I can explain the necessary facts.
 
The models are a construct of those wanting to justify an agenda, and they have CO2, too sensitive in them.

CO2 cannot do as much as claimed.

Are you capable of understanding the sciences? If so, I can explain the necessary facts.
People who ignore the models have an agenda.

The agenda is to ignore what the entire planet is pretty much agreeing on so we don't have to do anything about it and hopefully die before the long term effects settle in so we can congratulate ourselves on being born into a period where humans could burn carbon with wreckless abandon and not have to worry about the true cost.
 
You can’t get a mortgage in Florida, all the insurance problems there are 100% climate related. This isn’t a problem of over regulation, the insurance companies just cannot afford to operate in states where climate change is creating more and more emergencies.
Yet, the severity of the climate has not really changed. Maybe Florida is different than California in this regard. If the decision is based on realistic economics rather than regulations, then what does that tell you? I would suggest then, looking at how the inflation of property and building materials is greater than the average inflation as a whole.
 
The earth has always experienced extreme weather, Should that change, maybe then is the time to panic.
 
You think you are sounding logical until someone looks up the real data. China is also the biggest producer of green energy and unlike the US has fully invested in its production. The people that are saying "drill baby drill" are the ones we need to address so stop with the smokescreen. You don't want to reduce greenhouse gases you want to blame others instead.

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It is logical. China is #1 in renewable according to itself (and the nation does lie). The US is #2, so clearly the country has invested in it's production.

We're talking about Greenhouse gasses, and China is #1 because they've also invested in dirty energy production.
 
President Trump has done more to reign in the overreach of the Federal government that Democrats have relied upon to drive this country to single party rule. The Democrats adore the CCP and see it as their desired end state for the U.S.

If there's any party that wants single-party rule, it's the Repubs.

Personal responsibility and accountability isn't about (D) or (R), rather it's about individuals, namely yourself.

Is that a personal attack? If so, it's a weak one. :)
 
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