Scientists planning their own March on DC

[LowDown]

Science is about facts. When policy is being based on gross ignorance, confusion and misinformation about basic facts, it's time for scientists to step up and clear the facts for everyone. Public education is an important part of their job.

And they do that by marching on Washington? Pfft!

 

[LowDown]

What lie? What in the world are you talking about? Science always evolves by fits and starts, and there are blind alleys and false pathways, some initial controversies and questions. When Galileo said it's the earth that goes around the sun, not the other way, it was considered "controversial" for a long time. But once consensus is reached, it's just silly to keep questioning it.

The evidence is now incontrovertible. Get used to it.

There is no place for "consensus" in science at all. What is true in science is when one guy gets it right. When people promote a consensus they are trying to shut down the science and promote dogma.

 

[Threegoofs]

There is no place for "consensus" in science at all. What is true in science is when one guy gets it right. When people promote a consensus they are trying to shut down the science and promote dogma.

Apparently, Evolution is just an interesting idea.

No consensus?

 

[humbolt]

they have been around doing dezinformatsiya long before the internet. google russian internet trolls. there is nothing new here. I strongly believe many of the so called conservatives on here are kremlin trolls.


Russian internet trolls were being hired to pose as pro-Trump Americans - Business Insider

Hmmm. And here I was thinking you'd been reading the Big Book of Hans Christian Anedersen. Decidedly not the case. You see these trolls everywhere here, posing as conservatives, huh?

 

[Hicup]

I see. So science is not credible and we should never listen to them. It'll be fine. I'll remember that next time my doctor says I should get that funny lump on my neck biopsied. He is probably just a lazy egghead librul who just wants to make a buck off me. Got it, thank you.

Huh? Dude, all I'm saying is science isn't always correct in its predictions.. When I was growing up it was settled science that the world was entering a freezing stage.. Umm no, well it turns out .... No.


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[Lord of Planar]

I hope real scientists - as opposed to 'climate scientists' - will keep well clear of any such stupid stunt.

Agreed.

Too many Climate Scientists are now at the government coffers. The reason they plan to march, is Trump will not politicize and keep government money supporting the AGW dogma.

 

[Lord of Planar]

A nerd march on Washington. Only in the empty minds of the left could this be seen as significant. I hope the three nerds that show up don't get wedgied by the jocks.

Who will they be?

Hansen, Schmidt, Cook, Nye, and who else?

Real big march!

 

[Lord of Planar]

A group of self described scientists, who by definition should be highly educated professionals, choose the intellectual honesty equivalence of a three year olds temper tantrum, instead of asking to sit down with the Administration to make their case and debate the science and the facts, as their preferred avenue to gain influence over national policy?

Wow. Just, wow. ***smh***

They never debate a scientist that opposes their view. So many times they have been asked to, they never agree to.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Science is about facts. When policy is being based on gross ignorance, confusion and misinformation about basic facts, it's time for scientists to step up and clear the facts for everyone. Public education is an important part of their job.

Climastrology is the misrepresentation of facts.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Every single scientific academy, body, society, and organization on the entire planet is not "A group of self described scientists".

How many of those groups get money controlled by the executive branch?

How many of the leaders might Obama said to: "tow the line else we will reduce your money?"

 

[Lord of Planar]

it's a demonstration given the level of anti-intellectualism running rampant. Believe it or not, scientists have opinions as well. And it used to be that science was listened to, not politicized and dismissed.

Please give me a list of scientists, by name, that support:

1) AGW is more than 50% of the warmng we see.

2) AGW is on a dangerous path of warming.

3) A slightly warmer earth is not better than the 20th century conditions.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How is it silly to watch the plain facts which you have worked hard to establish getting lost in the din of propaganda, confusion, and partisan politics?

Then why don't the scientists speak out and say so? Why is i the pundits that claim this?

You can probably count on one hand, the number of climate scientists that really believe the extent the pundits claim.

 

[Lord of Planar]

it's likely to be a terrible time for publicly funded research, as it usually is when utter fools are in charge. i should mention that for-profit industustrial science relies heavily on publicly funded researchers to do the basic research that takes a long time and which often isn't directly profitable, so eventually that's going to hurt "good" science, too. never expect a fool to see much past his own nose.

Really?

I have been involved with Intel at such levels. I don't recall government money being involved funding their research.

 

[ataraxia]

Then why don't the scientists speak out and say so? Why is i the pundits that claim this?

You can probably count on one hand, the number of climate scientists that really believe the extent the pundits claim.

Scientists around the world are screaming themselves hoarse: formal statements by literally every single scientific organization on the planet (including even the ones working for Exxon), testimonies before political bodies, publications in popular magazines,.... and now they are literally going to take to the streets to yell it. What more can they possibly be doing? Go on hunger strikes? Is that what they are being reduced to?

A respected climate scientist is resorting to desperate measures to try to force the government to fight climate change - Business Insider Nordic

 

[Fletch]

Not if there is continued research into alternative fuel, more emissions regulations and standards for cars/factories, taxes on gas guzzling cars, etc...

Do you always feel so helpless in life?

I don't mind research, nor do I feel helpless. I just don't have any plans to surrender my liberty to the state for a fantasy.

 

[countryboy]

Who are these "real scientists"?

Every single scientific organization, society, and academy in the country, as well as internationally on the entire planet, has put out formal statements stating that global warming is real, is man-made, is potentially catastrophic if left unchecked, and is still reversible.

This includes the scientists working for Exxon Mobile.

I am sorry facts and reality have such a strong liberal bias. But I am afraid there are no "alternative facts".

:bs :bs

 

[katzgar]

Hmmm. And here I was thinking you'd been reading the Big Book of Hans Christian Anedersen. Decidedly not the case. You see these trolls everywhere here, posing as conservatives, huh?

it is hard to tell the difference between a putin troll, a trump troll and an ignorant southerner. they all post the same foolishness.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Scientists around the world are screaming themselves hoarse: formal statements by literally every single scientific organization on the planet (including even the ones working for Exxon), testimonies before political bodies, publications in popular magazines,.... and now they are literally going to take to the streets to yell it. What more can they possibly be doing? Go on hunger strikes? Is that what they are being reduced to?

A respected climate scientist is resorting to desperate measures to try to force the government to fight climate change - Business Insider Nordic

I mean the individuals. Not the organization heads.

Wake up and smell the truth!

Give me the names of individual scientists.

 

[humbolt]

it is hard to tell the difference between a putin troll, a trump troll and an ignorant southerner. they all post the same foolishness.

I expect they do. Completely unsurprising. Thank heavens we have stereotypes to fall back on.

 

[ataraxia]

I mean the individuals. Not the organization heads.

Wake up and smell the truth!

Give me the names of individual scientists.

OK. So you are claiming that formal statements statements put out by scientific organizations all over the world do not represent the views of their members, but only their "heads". You want individual scientists.

That's pretty ridiculous.

At this point, the question in science is not whether AGW is real, serious, or that we should do anything about it, but how to go about dismantling the massive propaganda that's been built up against it. Here is something from Yale University on how this campaign of public education might need to be pursued:

How to Inoculate the Public Against Misinformation About Climate Change - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

 

[ataraxia]

I don't mind research, nor do I feel helpless. I just don't have any plans to surrender my liberty to the state for a fantasy.

So it's not that you don't think AGW is happening, you just think we are powerless to do anything about it, because anything we do might require some government interference. So you would rather drown in your house than risk that. Got it.

 

[bubbabgone]

I don't know about anyone else but I'm curious as hell to see how many gavons they can get to dress up in white lab coats to troll the streets claiming to be scientists.

 

[bubbabgone]

So it's not that you don't think AGW is happening, you just think we are powerless to do anything about it, because anything we do might require some government interference. So you would rather drown in your house than risk that. Got it.

Tell me, what made those climate change swings before the Industrial Age? Were people breathing way more and then way less?

 

[Lord of Planar]

OK. So you are claiming that formal statements statements put out by scientific organizations all over the world do not represent the views of their members, but only their "heads". You want individual scientists.

That's pretty ridiculous.

At this point, the question in science is not whether AGW is real, serious, or that we should do anything about it, but how to go about dismantling the massive propaganda that's been built up against it. Here is something from Yale University on how this campaign of public education might need to be pursued:

How to Inoculate the Public Against Misinformation About Climate Change - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

I'll take the first two paragraphs:

Prior studies have found widespread public misunderstanding about the scientific consensus that human-caused global warming is happening.
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The studies are generally good. Yes, AGW is real and accepted by the public. The pundits misrepresent the facts, have been caught in Chicken Little type predictions that failed to come true, and are no longer trusted.

A series of experiments have also found that simply informing people of the fact that 97% of climate scientists are convinced human-caused global warming is happening, significantly increases public understanding of the consensus.
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I'm surprised it isn't a 100% consensus that AGW is real. The problem is again, the pundits lie about what the studies actuall represent.

In turn, the increase in public understanding of the scientific consensus is associated with smaller, but potentially important increases in respondents’ own conviction that global warming is happening, human-caused, and a worrisome threat that requires action.
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Not all of global warming s human caused. Much of it is natural. There is no trend to apply "worrisome," that onl exists in the models that use the RCP 8.5 scenarios.

However, the basic fact of the scientific consensus has long been challenged by opponents of climate action, who have attempted to sow doubt among the public.
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The true consensus, as outlined in the peer reviewed papers are challenged. Only the lies that the pundits tell the public of what the papers say.

 

[ataraxia]

Tell me, what made those climate change swings before the Industrial Age? Were people breathing way more and then way less?

Why don't you turn off cable TV, pick up an actual textbook, and educate yourself on the matter? There's lots to learn:

https://www.amazon.com/Global-Clima...bal+climate+change+convergence+of+disciplines