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Scientists: Human activity has pushed Earth beyond four of nine ‘planetary boundaries

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where's that fps doug animated gif when you need it
 
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Ceist said:
You think it's 'irrelevant quibbling' that the graph that was used to support the whole JoNova blog post and ad hominem attack on Will Steffan has been demonstrably proven by the actual data from Alley's 2000 paper to be a FAKE?

Amazing.
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The JoNova graph conveys the actual data.
 
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Ceist said:
I actually tried to post the following comment on the JoNova blog post (the one you copied and pasted here) that was using the FAKE graph to try to trash Will Steffan. It was moderated and I got a message from the ED that it won't be published and that I must be a 'friend of the others'. It seems other people must have tried to comment with some actual facts but got rejected too. I guess the facts might upset the conspiracy theorists and science-deniers who swallow the swill there.




Clearly Jo Nova and her followers have no interest in the facts and have less than zero integrity.


(And that includes people who copy and paste blog posts from there.)
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The graph as posted at JoNova only goes to 95 years before 2000. In any case, the data is not affected.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The JoNova graph conveys the actual data.
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No, It doesn't. It's a fake. The data from the 2000 Alley paper only goes to 1855.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The graph as posted at JoNova only goes to 95 years before 2000. In any case, the data is not affected.
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No. you are wrong. This has already been pointed out to you several times with links to Alleys data and the explanation of the convention with using 1950 as Present for the GISP2 ice core.

It's mislabelled as 2000, when it should have been 1950 as present. Hence 95 years before 1950 is 1855.

And yes the actual data dramatically affects the claims they made in slagging off Steffen with that fake graph. It cuts off before all the warming from 1855 to the current time.

Richard Alley himself has confirmed this.

Even your hero Anthony Watts won't use that graph (anymore) and has it listed as a falsified graph on his pseudo-skeptic blog. (and that's saying something because he usually isn't very picky about accuracy of graphs as long as they support his views)
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
where's that fps doug animated gif when you need it
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The "Boom Headshot!" one? :mrgreen:
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
not the data that you claim it does
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I've seen that JoNova/David Lappi fake graph posted around the net quite a bit by pseudo-skeptics (aka deniers). It's not new.

It was an interesting experience getting a moderated rejection response from the JoNova ED telling me my comment won't be published and that I must be a 'friend of the others".

The comment I tried to post had links to the Alley 2000 GISP2 data and the explanation about the 1950 timeline from the NASA website that proved the graph to be fake. The JoNova bunch must already know that it's a falsified graph (they created it after all), yet they still keep posting it. The complete dishonesty and lack of integrity from that blog is sickening.
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
yes.
lol
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Wouldn't matter. That poster is covered in a thick Teflon-like denier shield where any facts thrown at him just hit his denier shield and slide right off.

:D
 
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Ceist said:
No. you are wrong. This has already been pointed out to you several times with links to Alleys data and the explanation of the convention with using 1950 as Present for the GISP2 ice core.

It's mislabelled as 2000, when it should have been 1950 as present. Hence 95 years before 1950 is 1855.

And yes the actual data dramatically affects the claims they made in slagging off Steffen with that fake graph. It cuts off before all the warming from 1855 to the current time.

Richard Alley himself has confirmed this.

Even your hero Anthony Watts won't use that graph (anymore) and has it listed as a falsified graph on his pseudo-skeptic blog. (and that's saying something because he usually isn't very picky about accuracy of graphs as long as they support his views)
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Quibbling.
 
Re: Scientists: Human activity has pushed Earth beyond four of nine ‘planetary bounda

Ceist said:
No. you are wrong. This has already been pointed out to you several times with links to Alleys data and the explanation of the convention with using 1950 as Present for the GISP2 ice core.

It's mislabelled as 2000, when it should have been 1950 as present. Hence 95 years before 1950 is 1855.

And yes the actual data dramatically affects the claims they made in slagging off Steffen with that fake graph. It cuts off before all the warming from 1855 to the current time.

Richard Alley himself has confirmed this.

Even your hero Anthony Watts won't use that graph (anymore) and has it listed as a falsified graph on his pseudo-skeptic blog. (and that's saying something because he usually isn't very picky about accuracy of graphs as long as they support his views)
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Here's the WUWT entry.

10,000 Years – GISP2 – Alley, 2000 Classification: Incorrect – Move to Incorrect/Falsified Graphs section – Label Incorrect Graph – The x axis label, “Years Before Present (2000 AD)”, should read Years Before Present (1950 AD)


If the label is the only thing wrong (1950 vs 2000) then I'm not concerned.
 
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The Planet in Peril? Yawn. - Ed Rogers, Washington Post

". . . Holman W. Jenkins wrote a smart piece for the Wall Street Journal, “Climate reporting’s hot mess,” where he disclosed the slipshod, biased reporting surrounding the issue. The problem is so pervasive that he actually wrote, “A unified theory of media idiocy on climate is beyond the scope of this column,” and then proceeded to handily rip apart many of the Democrats’ and the media’s canned, erroneous climate change arguments. Jenkins also made an astute observation, saying that development of “a battery…five or ten times more efficient than today’s…would so revolutionize world energy practices that scientists would have to consider how a sudden decline in human carbon-dioxide emissions might affect the climate.” Exactly!


The climate is changing — and whether or not and how much human activity is to blame is almost beside the point, since nothing can be done to reduce the emissions to where it might make a difference. So the answer is technology and mitigation. Hello, nuclear energy? Until our political leaders begin to talk about climate change armed with realistic plans and solutions, Americans will continue to be indifferent to their shrill harangues and the liberal punitive measures they want to gratuitously hoist on the backs of Americans."
 
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Jack Hays said:
Quibbling.
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Fact finding and exposing the dishonesty and lack of integrity of science misinformers and science deniers like Joanne Nova and yourself.
 
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Ceist said:
Fact finding and exposing the dishonesty and lack of integrity of science misinformers and science deniers like Joanne Nova and yourself.
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Please see my #162. The matter you complain about seems inconsequential.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Here's the WUWT entry.

10,000 Years – GISP2 – Alley, 2000 Classification: Incorrect – Move to Incorrect/Falsified Graphs section – Label Incorrect Graph – The x axis label, “Years Before Present (2000 AD)”, should read Years Before Present (1950 AD)


If the label is the only thing wrong (1950 vs 2000) then I'm not concerned.
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Yep, you're not concerned about facts, real data, or integrity, or science disinformers trashing scientists using fake data. We all know that already. You prove it over and over again with your copy and pasted posts from trashy science disinformer conspiracy blogs.
 
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Ceist said:
Yep, you're not concerned about facts, real data, or integrity, or science disinformers trashing scientists using fake data. We all know that already. You prove it over and over again with your copy and pasted posts from trashy science disinformer conspiracy blogs.
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Just another puny ad hominem. Why? Because the facts are against you.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Please see my #162. The matter you complain about seems inconsequential.
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In the blog post attacking Will Steffen about his comment about the current temperature, Joanna Nova led her readers to believe that that graph was based on data that went up to 2000, when it actually cut off at 1855. The whole argument is about what has happened since around 1855 to the present.

So your continued attempts to minimise and dismiss this and pretend it's inconsequential, are not only completely and utterly dishonest, but hilarious.
 
Re: Scientists: Human activity has pushed Earth beyond four of nine ‘planetary bounda

Ceist said:
In the blog post attacking Will Steffen about his comment about the current temperature, Joanna Nova led her readers to believe that that graph was based on data that went up to 2000, when it actually cut off at 1855. The whole argument is about what has happened since around 1855 to the present.

So your continued attempts to minimise and dismiss this and pretend it's inconsequential, are not only completely and utterly dishonest, but hilarious.
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In a discussion covering 10,000 years that is inconsequential decimal dust.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Correction:
LYING about a date on a label .
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Not just that, but by the commentary in the blog post, leading the readers to believe the data actually went up to the year 2000 when it cut off in 1855.
 
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Jack Hays said:
In a discussion covering 10,000 years that is inconsequential decimal dust.
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The entire "discussion" (it was a trashy hatchet job attacking a scientist) was about how current temperatures compare against the past 10,000 years. Not about how temperatures in 1855 compare against the past 10,000 years.

Keep it up. This is hilarious.
 
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