Science says there were no hijackers on 911

[camlok]

In a word No. Your CT gurus told you there was nanothermite in the dust. Do a search and you will find many vids that state you are wrong. Seems that is all your interested in.

I have described many things that make the US government official conspiracy theory a bogus theory. The people who informed the world are scientists. They did the science, wrote the paper, published it and have had no one refute them. That's how science works.

Compare that to mike's never offering any evidence to support his US government official conspiracy theory.

Now you are off on another dog and pony show. Can you not stick with the RJLee Group material? You have a terribly short attention span. Am I wasting my time with a young person who knows nothing at all?

Notice the "Likes mike2810 liked this post" on all the folks like you, mike, who won't offer any evidence at all.

 

[mike2810]

I have described many things that make the US government official conspiracy theory a bogus theory. The people who informed the world are scientists. They did the science, wrote the paper, published it and have had no one refute them. That's how science works.

Compare that to mike's never offering any evidence to support his US government official conspiracy theory.

Now you are off on another dog and pony show. Can you not stick with the RJLee Group material? You have a terribly short attention span. Am I wasting my time with a young person who knows nothing at all?

Notice the "Likes mike2810 liked this post" on all the folks like you, mike, who won't offer any evidence at all.

Moving the goal post there Cam. I am discussing your post of thermite and CD. I don't have to defend the fire induced collapse because that is not what is being discussed with you.

I have provided evidence in other threads regarding a fire induced collapse. In older threads I have stated that the govt reports may not be 100% correct. Once again you are not telling the truth but only giving an opinion.

 

[camlok]

Go back to 1072 and address the RJLee stuff you raised.

 

[CLAX1911]

It's encumbent upon YOU to make your posts readable.

fair enough and that part you couldn't read where I typed "ate" I meant to type "are" other than that it was all what I meant to type.

[COLORFF0000"]No, many more than that. Why do you remain so adamantly stubborn when there are videos you could easily watch to bring yourself up to speed?

because you haven't posted them. Just FYI I'm not watching s*** that's more than 30 minutes long. But go ahead and post them I'll watch them. But I don't know what videos you talking about and I'm not going to go look for it. I don't care about your your enough to go Google search it.

Your posts are becoming more and more incoherent.

I apologize I didn't know I was speaking over your head. Allow me to make it a little more simple.

Whatever gobbledygook you're talking about that absolutely proves this extremely unlikely scenario comes from the same place the Loch Ness monster did.

The imagination of some people with some tall tales.

Basically but I think you're imagining some things.

 

[Quag]

Well it seems like they just cherry pick data that fits their narrative

If their data is made up you cnt really call it cherry picked

 

[Quag]

A perfect description of the US Government Official Conspiracy Theory supporters, Quag, of which you are most definitely one.

They were, they are such world class liars and you still believe them. You believe in the face of so much science that says the US Government Official Conspiracy Theory is completely bogus.

You believe even when George Bush describes bombs and explosions at WTC on 9-11.

You are a perfect truther Cam, facts/evidence/science/logic have no effect on you but lies like claiming Bush described bombs on 911 are part of your daily posts.

 

[Thoreau72]

It isn't logical at all. How did the steel get that hot?

most likely his findings were off or fraudulent. It isn't very easy to boil Steel. In a Foundry you need an ark to do it.


Most likely read it and scoff at the preposterous nonsense.

That sir, is the $64,000 Question! How did the steel get that hot? One thing is certain, it did NOT get that hot from office fires burning on the upper floors. It did NOT get that hot and stay that way for 90 days from any amount of jetfuel.

In practical terms, there are few sources of energy and heat available that could do that.

No, his findings were not skewed or fraudulent. At the end of September 2001, Robert Leifer, a colleague from DOE's Environmental Measurement Laboratory in NYC, contacted Cahill and asked him to send on of the DELTA Group's air monitoring devices known as an 8 stage rotating drim impactor. By October 2, 2001 the unit was set up on the lab's roof at 201 Varick St, about 1 mile north of WTC.

That is from Bollyn's book "Solving 911", page 263. Cahill was surprised to find out, once he got there, that EPA had done nothing at all to measure the air.

And of course the EPA told everybody that the air was fine to breath.

Is that misfeasance or malfeasance?

 

[CLAX1911]

If their data is made up you cnt really call it cherry picked

That is true.

 

[CLAX1911]

That sir, is the $64,000 Question! How did the steel get that hot? One thing is certain, it did NOT get that hot from office fires burning on the upper floors. It did NOT get that hot and stay that way for 90 days from any amount of jetfuel.

Occam's razor dictates that it didn't get that hot nor stay that hot for 90 days.

In practical terms, there are few sources of energy and heat available that could do that.

Yeah, an arc forge.

No, his findings were not skewed or fraudulent.

They have to be. It's entirely to farfetched to be accurate.

At the end of September 2001, Robert Leifer, a colleague from DOE's Environmental Measurement Laboratory in NYC, contacted Cahill and asked him to send on of the DELTA Group's air monitoring devices known as an 8 stage rotating drim impactor. By October 2, 2001 the unit was set up on the lab's roof at 201 Varick St, about 1 mile north of WTC.

That is from Bollyn's book "Solving 911", page 263. Cahill was surprised to find out, once he got there, that EPA had done nothing at all to measure the air.

And of course the EPA told everybody that the air was fine to breath.

Is that misfeasance or malfeasance?

I don't see any use fir any of this information.

 

[camlok]

You are a perfect truther Cam, facts/evidence/science/logic have no effect on you but lies like claiming Bush described bombs on 911 are part of your daily posts.

Another Quag post with no evidence to support the US government official conspiracy theory. Why are you avoiding YOUR discussion of the twin towers office fires?

 

[camlok]

Occam's razor dictates that it didn't get that hot nor stay that hot for 90 days.

Yeah, an arc forge.

They have to be. It's entirely to farfetched to be accurate. I don't see any use fir any of this information.

That is not at all what Occam's razor dictates. Stop trying to discuss things you don't understand. Occam's razor says that the nanothermite found in WTC dust is the most likely source of the molten steel, the vaporized steel, the molten steel that you can see pouring out of WTC2 minutes before it was blown up. And the video is only a minute or so long, which is, I suspect, well within your attention span.

9/11: Stabilized WTC2 molten metal (CameraPlanet & National Geographic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXdI4hLWkE

 

[mike2810]

That is not at all what Occam's razor dictates. Stop trying to discuss things you don't understand. Occam's razor says that the nanothermite found in WTC dust is the most likely source of the molten steel, the vaporized steel, the molten steel that you can see pouring out of WTC2 minutes before it was blown up. And the video is only a minute or so long, which is, I suspect, well within your attention span.

9/11: Stabilized WTC2 molten metal (CameraPlanet & National Geographic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXdI4hLWkE

Who determined it was ", the molten steel that you can see pouring out of WTC2......" and how did they determine it was "molten steel"?

Why not some other metal, like aluminum for example?

 

[camlok]

Thoreau: In practical terms, there are few sources of energy and heat available that could do that.

Yeah, an arc forge.

And nanothermite, which, you must remember, was found at WTC in WTC dust.

Thermite is a chemical mixture composed mainly of a metal oxide and aluminum powder. To produce Iron, Ferric (Iron) Oxide is used, although other metals can be made using other metal oxides. When ignited, Thermite produces very high temperatures (over 4,000 degrees F), along with generous amounts of molten metal.
Thermite - United Nuclear
https://www.unitednuclear.com/thermiteinfo.pdf

 

[camlok]

Who determined it was ", the molten steel that you can see pouring out of WTC2......" and how did they determine it was "molten steel"?

Why not some other metal, like aluminum for example?

You know this and you know why it isn't aluminum, mike. This is one of the favored devious tactics of US government official conspiracy theory theorists. It is, and was used by the US government, NIST, FEMA, and you US government official conspiracy theory theorists have adopted it too.

So go ahead and explain what you already know instead of practicing the usual US government official conspiracy theory theorists' deception.

 

[camlok]

Occam's razor dictates that ...

Astounding that you, CLAX, a US government official conspiracy theory theorist, would go anywhere near Occam's razor when one considers that all you folks support a wildly, crazy, no chance in hell of happening, nutty concoction of lies that is the US government official conspiracy theory.

 

[mike2810]

You know this and you know why it isn't aluminum, mike. This is one of the favored devious tactics of US government official conspiracy theory theorists. It is, and was used by the US government, NIST, FEMA, and you US government official conspiracy theory theorists have adopted it too.

So go ahead and explain what you already know instead of practicing the usual US government official conspiracy theory theorists' deception.

It is clear you do not understand questions asked. Sorry you seem to be unable to follow. Once again. You did not answer my questions and then replied with a question back to me.
I just presented a question to you asking why it could not be another metal. I also asked how you determined it was "molten steel".

There is some good information here for you to read.

A World Trade Center Collapse Investigative Resource - World Trade Center Evidence-Based Research

 

[zyzygy]

It is clear you do not understand questions asked. Sorry you seem to be unable to follow. Once again. You did not answer my questions and then replied with a question back to me.
I just presented a question to you asking why it could not be another metal. I also asked how you determined it was "molten steel".

There is some good information here for you to read.

A World Trade Center Collapse Investigative Resource - World Trade Center Evidence-Based Research

It will be cold day in hell when a truther gives a direct answer to a question.

 

[camlok]

It is clear you do not understand questions asked. Sorry you seem to be unable to follow. Once again. You did not answer my questions and then replied with a question back to me.
I just presented a question to you asking why it could not be another metal. I also asked how you determined it was "molten steel".

There is some good information here for you to read.

A World Trade Center Collapse Investigative Resource - World Trade Center Evidence-Based Research

I said "You know this and you know why it isn't aluminum, mike.

You continuously trap yourself in your own lies. Are you really going to attempt to maintain this wholly transparent fiction that you don't know, you have never heard the reasoning put forward as to why the molten steel is not aluminium.

 

[camlok]

It will be cold day in hell when a truther gives a direct answer to a question.

Never a once has zyzygy ever given any evidence for the US government official conspiracy theory, an incredibly phantasmagorical concoction of lies that has no chance whatsoever of being true.

Keep up your great "science", zyzygy.

 

[mike2810]

I said "You know this and you know why it isn't aluminum, mike.

You continuously trap yourself in your own lies. Are you really going to attempt to maintain this wholly transparent fiction that you don't know, you have never heard the reasoning put forward as to why the molten steel is not aluminium.

Using your style of answer. You know your wrong and that it is not molten steel. You just like to post bs to get a reaction.

Come back when you have something of value. Noted , you said nothing about the link I provided.

 

[CLAX1911]

That is not at all what Occam's razor dictates. Stop trying to discuss things you don't understand. Occam's razor says that the nanothermite found in WTC dust is the most likely source of the molten steel, the vaporized steel, the molten steel that you can see pouring out of WTC2 minutes before it was blown up.

I already explained the properties of steel. And the conditions that would have to

And the video is only a minute or so long, which is, I suspect, well within your attention span.

9/11: Stabilized WTC2 molten metal (CameraPlanet & National Geographic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXdI4hLWkE[/QUOTE]
What you're seeing in that video is most likely a power line. You just simply wasn't anything hot enough to melt metal at that rate present in the area.

There was no trace of thermite burn residue so you'll have to find something else to explain it

 

[CLAX1911]

Astounding that you, CLAX, a US government official conspiracy theory theorist, would go anywhere near Occam's razor when one considers that all you folks support a wildly, crazy, no chance in hell of happening, nutty concoction of lies that is the US government official conspiracy theory.

So because I undermined your delusion I have to be part of this conspiracy?

You know that is exactly the same defense mechanism seen in people who are clinically diagnosed is paranoid delusional.

They also start to think anybody who doesn't agree with them is automatically part of some conspiracy against them.

I don't really know what the official story is. Just that yours is not accurate as violates physics.

 

[CLAX1911]

And nanothermite, which, you must remember, was found at WTC in WTC dust.

No thermite isn't capable of doing that without having to be in a vast quantity and without leaving residue.

The only difference between thermite and Nano thermite is the size of the particles in the substance. Nano thermite burns a little faster.

 

[CLAX1911]

Never a once has zyzygy ever given any evidence for the US government official conspiracy theory, an incredibly phantasmagorical concoction of lies that has no chance whatsoever of being true.

Keep up your great "science", zyzygy.

Explaining that the physics in your account are not possible in this universe, has nothing to do with alternate explanations.

Thermite cannot do that you are misinterpreting data. And now you're just saying everyone's against you because they bring forth evidence against your narrative.

That's a paranoid delusion.

 

[Thoreau72]

Occam's razor dictates that it didn't get that hot nor stay that hot for 90 days.

Yeah, an arc forge.

They have to be. It's entirely to farfetched to be accurate. I don't see any use fir any of this information.

There was molten iron in the basement levels and below, for about 90 days. It was on TV and in the papers. They put Pyrocool on it. Hot spots visible from satellites, recorded by satellites.

You may not be aware of it, but that happened, and Occam's Razor has little to do with it. If you want to apply Occam's Razor, I'll give an example: the reason FEMA photos from that day looked like a nuclear weapon had gone off there, is because nuclear weapons HAD gone off there.

I understand why you have no use for anything learned down there at Ground Zero--you prefer the bliss associated with ignorance. Some of us are curious about what happened down there, some of us are not and won't ask no damn questions. :mrgreen: