Science says there were no hijackers on 911

[gamolon]

That's an excellent question, gamolon. A better one - how could those vaporized holes, which you describe, even be there? How could a 5/8" thick steel flange be reduced to paper thickness, sharp enough to peel a carrot?

I asked you first.

How can thermite do that?

 

[gamolon]

That's an excellent question, gamolon. A better one - how could those vaporized holes, which you describe, even be there? How could a 5/8" thick steel flange be reduced to paper thickness, sharp enough to peel a carrot?

Can rust produce holes in steel that can have sharp edges or do you need thermite for that?

 

[camlok]

I asked you first.

How can thermite do that?

But that is your dilemma, not mine. How do you explain the vaporized holes, the 5/8" thick steel flange reduced to paper thickness, sharp enough to peel a carrot?

Thermite can do those things. That is not contestable.

What else do you folks suggest was at WTC that could have done these kinds of things to solid, massive structural steel beams and columns?

gamolon: Can rust produce holes in steel that can have sharp edges or do you need thermite for that?

You tell me. I can tell you that rust cannot do that but you already know that is a ludicrous suggestion. Again, what at WTC produced this terribly unusual erosion of these steel girders?

 

[gamolon]

Thermite can do those things.

No it can't! I proved you wrong!

The steel in the study you linked showed temps of 1000 degrees C (1800 degrees F). Thermite burns at much much higher temps.

Case closed.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Then why do you presume to hold the knowledge necessary to engage in these topics? And mislead others into thinking you have such knowledge when you obviously do not.

Your assumptions are not fact.

This whole CT idea is a joke. It all has rational explanations, explained more than a decade ago. It's silly that people believe the CT myth, over the science.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Then why was there thermite at WTC, and not just plain old garden variety thermite, but nanothermite?

No thermite was found. The chemical mixtures were not right for it to be thermite. Thermitic reactions, however, were found.

The evidence of a thermitic reaction does not mean thermite was used!

Rusted iron (iron oxide) from the 40 yr old building, violently mixing with a pulverizing aluminum aircraft body and frame, creates a thermitic reaction.

Thermite uses other materials in the mix so it can be ignited moire easily. These other chemical constituents were not present.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Where is the proof of that statement?

The level of proof is that of the flat earth theory.

 

[Lord of Planar]

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Where did you study metallurgy? I worked in a steel works.

I once worked in an aluminum foundry in the 70's. That's why I asked if they had spectral scanners.

 

[mike2810]

That is unscientific, Mike. And not at all what this forum is about.

You stated a false statement regarding this forum. Show in the rules section that CT thread responses must be on a scientific basis.

If what you posted was a fact, then the majority of your posts are not appropriate this forum.:mrgreen:

Back to the OP. Nothing has been shown that proves no hijackers were involved on 9/11.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How could thermite "vaporize" holes into the steel in the document you posted when the temps of that steel never went above 1000 degrees C (1800 degrees F)?

Steel can be dissolved into a eutectic mixture that already contains steel, sulpher, and I forget what else, and under 1,000 C.

It's simply a high temperature chemical reaction.

 

[Lord of Planar]

That's better. What about Lord Planar, mike, zyzygy, ... ? I'd like to hear from them too, to see if you guys understanding matches.

Yes!

That is an exothermic reaction similar to a thermitic reaction. The components supply it's own oxidizer. The iron oxide for burning the aluminum in thermite.

 

[camlok]

No thermite was found. The chemical mixtures were not right for it to be thermite. Thermitic reactions, however, were found.

The evidence of a thermitic reaction does not mean thermite was used!

Rusted iron (iron oxide) from the 40 yr old building, violently mixing with a pulverizing aluminum aircraft body and frame, creates a thermitic reaction.

Thermite uses other materials in the mix so it can be ignited moire easily. These other chemical constituents were not present.

Does everyone agree with Lord of Planar?

 

[camlok]

Steel can be dissolved into a eutectic mixture that already contains steel, sulpher, and I forget what else, and under 1,000 C.

It's simply a high temperature chemical reaction.

Are we all in agreement then?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Are we all in agreement then?

I don't know if everyone is.

A sample from my electronic technician discipline.

Solder is a mix of tin and lead. Tin melts at 231.9 C and lead melts at 327.5 C. Common electrical solder is 60% lead and 40% tin, and is near eutectic. It melts at 188 C. Far less than either the lead or tin. The eutectic mix is 63%/37% and melts at 183 C.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Ever hear of Rose Metal?

There is one that uses 50% Bismuth which melts at 271.5 C, and has 25% lead and 25% tin.

However, this rose metal alloy melts at 98 C!

 

[camlok]

You stated a false statement regarding this forum. Show in the rules section that CT thread responses must be on a scientific basis.

If what you posted was a fact, then the majority of your posts are not appropriate this forum.:mrgreen:

Back to the OP. Nothing has been shown that proves no hijackers were involved on 9/11.

That is a childish response, mike. You make an illogical connection between the two sentences.

1) That is unscientific, Mike.
2) And not at all what this forum is about.

 

[zyzygy]

That is a childish response, mike. You make an illogical connection between the two sentences.

1) That is unscientific, Mike.
2) And not at all what this forum is about.

When are you going to join in what this forum is all about? Little things like facts and proof.

 

[zyzygy]

That's an excellent question, gamolon. A better one - how could those vaporized holes, which you describe, even be there? How could a 5/8" thick steel flange be reduced to paper thickness, sharp enough to peel a carrot?

Where is the link to this flange? Post it please.

 

[mike2810]

That is a childish response, mike. You make an illogical connection between the two sentences.

1) That is unscientific, Mike.
2) And not at all what this forum is about.

So you admit you are wrong regarding forum rules. Thank you.

You still have not shown that the links I provided are wrong.

 

[camlok]

Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
Steel can be dissolved into a eutectic mixture that already contains steel, sulpher, and I forget what else, and under 1,000 C.

It's simply a high temperature chemical reaction.

As I asked in Post#113,

Are we all in agreement then?

 

[Quag]

Are we one day on or two? Are you prepared to call NYC firefighters and US military personnel liars, Quag?


- According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6: “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” [NATIONAL GUARD MAGAZINE, 12/2001]

- New York firefighters will recall “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” [NEW YORK POST, 3/3/2004]

Not liars, exaggeration and hyperbole. Only truthers see black and white options when the world is full of grey. But then you like to jump to conclusions with 0 evidence.
Since we have seen truthers post pics of NON molten steel that was glowing and claiming it was molten we know people can call non molten material molten. But even if they saw actual molten material they had no way of knowing what it was made of. Hence they could not know if it was or wasn't steel. However since NO steel was found that had been molten it is pretty safe to assume there was no molten steel.


Still waiting for actual evidence of molten steel.......

 

[zyzygy]

Are we all in agreement then?

Nope.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Still waiting for actual evidence of molten steel.......

It's possible some molten steel existed, but it would have been from the kinetic energy release from the falling mass of the towers.

I agree though, I have seen no evidence of molten "steel." There could far more easily be molten alloys that contained iron, but pretty unlike to be "steel" as the definition is.

 

[Lord of Planar]

As I asked in Post#113,

Are we all in agreement then?

In agreement with what point of view?

 

[Quag]

It's possible some molten steel existed, but it would have been from the kinetic energy release from the falling mass of the towers.

I agree though, I have seen no evidence of molten "steel." There could far more easily be molten alloys that contained iron, but pretty unlike to be "steel" as the definition is.

According to truthers there were pools and rivers of molten steel, usually caused by all the supports being melted, by ray beams, nano thermite, mini nukes, High explosives or a combination thereof, causing the collapses. If that was true there would be evidence of it.

Now since there is no evidence, only claims....